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Metal plating cost calculation
Q. Dear sir,
My name is Kumar. I am working on bright steel chrome plating. How to calculate chrome plating area, and cost, and chemical consumption, and how to add chemicals. Tell me about it sir<.br>
Regards
- Hosur, Tamil Nadu, India
June 22, 2023
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Q. I'm a Brazilian chemical engineer in charge of a galvanic zinc plating line, and I must find out how to calculate precisely the zinc plating process cost based on A/dm2 (or A/sq. ft.) Most of our local companies charge the service based on the weight of the finished pieces, which is a rather empirical and imprecise way. Does anyone know some kind of software or spreadsheet that could help me on this quest?
Process specification: Rotary, 20 kg, acid zinc based on potassium chloride, without ammonia
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Dirtiness kind: Several base metals contaminated with oil or grease.
Applied layer: 20 microns
Finishing: Trivalent passivation.
Top-coat: Synthetic resin with water solvent
Thanks for the attention.
Plating shop employee - São Paulo, SP, Brazil
2006
A. Short of a fairly impressive 3D measuring machine slaved to a computer, I doubt you can find a piece of software that make it much simpler than just setting up your own in Excel. There is a file in the Library here that shows the formulas for most simple shapes ... breakdown your parts into combinations of these shapes and start measuring.
There are a couple of letters in the archives that pertain to the same issue - and that may tip you off to a simpler method - but I believe all the advice breaks down to what I said.
Good luck!
Compton, California, USA
A. ELECTROPLATING DATA BASED ON 100% CURRENT EFFICIENCY IS AVAILABLE ON ANY ELECTROPLATING BOOK. Ajay Raina Ludhiana, Punjab, India A. First things first, measure the area of your current products. You can use Autocad, and model the products in 3D, then the software can calculate the area. Jobshop - San Luis Potosí, México |
A. Hi Marc Dal'luce,
To add up to what Guillermo said, I would like to mention that Autocad is a simpler method to solve your concern. When you make the profile in cad, use a Pedit command and close the loop. Also extrude the same where you mention the thickness. This becomes a solid section. Use a Matprop command and you get the Total surface Area. Just to verify you can also mention density and you will find that you get the exact weight also which you can check on the part also.
But for your information, in cases like Zinc, it is that the conversion cost is higher that the material cost. So better to look at how you can ask the supplier to reduce on time rather than directly negotiating on price in line with Surface area.
Good Luck.
Supply Chain - Bangalore, India
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How to make ballpark cost estimate for general electroplating processes?
Q. I am working on cost model for Powertrain components.Could somebody help me to understand (or refer to a right source of data) how I can make rough estimate of Zinc plating, e-coating, anodizing, chroming and impregnation.
I am looking for some industry standards:
- $/per kg of part's weight or - $/per sq.m of part's surface.
Thanks in advance for your professional assistance.
Tatyana
automotive cost engineer - Detroit, Michigan, USA
June 29, 2010
A. Hi, Tatyana. I've seen estimating handbooks for many different industries, especially the construction industry, but regrettably have never seen one for electroplating services. In earlier times a fakebook like that would be a good enterprise for a semi-retired metal finisher to develop but nobody like to work for free, and technology may have made theft too easy for anyone to undertake this :-)
I think you'll have to rely on quotes from plating shops or hire a plating consultant to put together such figures for you. Good luck.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
A. The auto industry is the last place that this will work as companies will cancel a contract for as little as a tenth of one cent per part. It is a cut throat industry with JIT being a costly driving force for the vendor.
James Watts- Navarre, Florida
A. Tatyana ... Unfortunately for you James and Ted are right. I spent 10 years in the estimating department of a good sized metal finisher. There are so many variables that come into play in job costing that I could probably write several hundred pages on the subject. Maybe I will...if someone would buy it. I can tell you this though....the main drivers of finishing costs are cost of chemistry, the cost of waste treatment of that chemistry and of course labor. They all change depending where the finishing shop is located. The only way to determine what you are looking for is to shop around. After a while you will get a good idea of your costs.
Tim Hamlett, CEF
- West Palm Beach, Florida, USA
Q. I have heard that there is a software which regulates the plating thickness and also calculates the areas too, does anybody know about it.
Ravi Chandavarkar
plating shop employee - Mumbai, India
October 14, 2013
A. Hi Ravi. There are several brands available, but we don't make commercial suggestions in this forum (why?). Google terms like "electrochemical modeling software for plating". They often involve calculating exact placement of anodes, parts, virtual anodes, and plastic shields to try to achieve a more even thickness distribution. Generally this software is presently for the more exotic needs rather than something you see in many shops.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
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How to do a quotation?
Q. Hi, good day everybody.
Today I am here because I have a couple of doubts; I got a new job in a plating plant and one of my responsibilities is to do a quotation of the cost to process different pieces.
I have 3 lines conversion chrome trivalent (C.C.T), electroless nickel and stainless steel passivate.
On nickel line I have
Soak cleaner
Electrocleaner
Acid dip
and Mickel
on C.C.T. I have a soak cleaner
deoxidize solution
and finally C.C.T.
on [stainless] steel passivate line
soak cleaner
citric acid
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sodium dichromate
My problem is I how I can know how much chem I am using on my pieces in the nickel bath; I don't have problems on nickel because the nickel metal is fixed on the metal base, and same with C.C.T.
But how I can know on soak, electro, acid dip, sodium dichromate and deoxidize?
I am processing pieces and doing the respective concentration analysis but the concentration doesn't change. I am pretty sure that my analysis is okay -- so somebody know how I can get these quotations?
Could I have it with the size of the pieces?
- agua prieta, Mexico
September 12, 2019
A. No one can even make a guess until you get some basic information together. Start here: Jeffrey Holmes, CEF Spartanburg, South Carolina A. Hi Aaron, Rachel Mackintosh lab rat - Greenfield, Vermont |
Thanks both for your answers. Rachel, I will take your advice to search the history of purchases and see how many parts we worked in last year; thanks for that, hope you be fine, best regards,
Aaron Garcia [returning]- AP , Mexico
Ed. note:
Other interesting threads on cost estimating for plating include thread 25603 and thread 55790
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