Manganese electroplating (electrodeposition of manganese)

Thanks Rod. That is very interesting and certainly very possible. I wouldn't go so far as to say 'very likely' though :-)

Those were tough times for the science of electroplating due both to honest mistakes and occasional fabrications :-)

Russia greatly advanced the science of metal finishing, but odds don't seem better than about 50/50 that a reported achievement in any given book from those days was true. Similarly, in America things were announced as being plated with aluminum when in fact they were plated with zinc. That pandemic of mistakes & misinformation could have struck Australia as well. It's very hard to actually know whether a reported electroplating achievement from those days is accurate unless someone does a PhD thesis on the question to really intensively study the claim.

Luck & Regards,

Re: Electroless and or Electroplating of Metals with Manganese.
Hi Mr Vincent,
As research Scientist who as a Postgraduate student studied on British Scholarship at the University of Birmingham in England United Kingdom. the topic of my research work was on electrodeposition of iron with Manganese from simple salt bath to produce bright coherent Fe-Mn alloy film containing intermediate atomic wt. percent composition. The project was successful resulting in a breakthrough and it was published.
In returning to the United States, I was hurried by Teledyne Continental Motors located in Mobile AL to act as a Materials Surface Engineer (SME) to resolve the inability to electrolessly co-deposit (plate) Mn with Mn and Phosphate (Fe-MnP) on its aluminum piston Aircraft Engines previously grounded by the government regulatory (the FAA). That was in about 1991 and I was successful in co-depositing Fe with MnP that was coherently bonded on the engine camshaft and piston that met the FAA flight safety requirements. I say these to demonstrate that metals are deposable or can be commercially plated with Mn to produce bright adherent alloy films possessing interesting useful properties for a critical applications.
I am in agreement with Mr. Vincent's splendid remarks.

A. Hi Chris. For this problem please try to get access to Brenner's "Electrodeposition of Alloys". Manganese is extremely electronegative and very difficult to plate, but it is not completely impossible. Good luck.

A. Manganese plating solution:

manganese sulphate....100 gm
ammonium sulphate ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] .....75 gm
ammonium rhodanide...60 gm
up to 28 A/dm2, 25 °C temp.

According to Praktische Galvanotechnik/Saulgau 1997.

A. Chris, Brenner suggests a lead-silver anode, but it really might be worth struggling to get access to that book because manganese, being difficult and tricky to plate, it is almost impossible to answer even simple questions with a short replies. For example, while Brenner says to try an anode of lead-silver, he then goes on to say "but be aware that ...." and many paragraphs about bags and diaphragms and pH differences between catholyte and anolyte, etc., then follow. Good luck.

A. For pure Mn, it should be not so difficult. Apply a higher current or voltage is necessary.

Some literature about Mn deposition are published in Journal of the Electrochemical Society [www.electrochem.org/dl/jes/]. I am working on Mn-Co co-deposition, and have a paper published recently in Journal of Power Sources.

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Ed. note: Mr. Wu's article is abstracted and and full text can be purchased at www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775307025645

A. First, you say nothing about cleaning or activation steps. Both are required since SS oxidizes fairly rapidly.
Next, You really need to have a Wood's Nickel strike. I like the formulation with higher HCl and lower Nickel chloride than most.

Get a copy of Safranek's book Properties of Electrodeposited Metals and Alloys [affil link to Amazon or on AbeBooks affil links] .

Lowenheim's "Modern Electroplating" [on AbeBooks, eBay, or Amazon affil links] has a tiny bit, but may help.

A. Hi, I can't take a hold of nitrates nor do I know any methods of forming any sizable metal compounds, but from what I have seen so far your methods involve metal ions that coat on top of a less reactive metal.

So why is it that you guys use nitrate solutions instead of an ionic solution?
What I do is perform electrolysis to collect an oxide (copper is my favorite), then add hydrochloric acid to form an ionic solution.
Copper (blue - green liquid depending on solution's concentration).

Also you should know that for an absolute coating you will require a current (I use would use the same metal as in solution, so if using copper both anode and cathode should be copper, and make sure that the metal being coated onto is less reactive then the metal used to coat,
e.g., copper plating aluminum is not possible because aluminum is more reactive than copper, whereas copper plating iron is possible because iron is about as reactive as copper.

But most importantly, write an exact chemical equation and a hypothesis of what might happen.

So, key point:
- current through ionic/nitrate solutions
- reactivity
- chemical equation and hypothesis

This response has been given by a secondary chemistry student, who has knowledge and experience in the process of electrolysis and electroplating. Thank you and I hope that this was useful.

cya and have a good time.

 Thanks, Guillaume. I'm a bit confused because I didn't see anyone mention nitrate solutions, then you asked why they suggested nitrates :-)

Although I didn't completely understand your descriptions, you may be right that ionic liquids could be a better approach for plating manganese than traditional aqueous plating baths.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
October 10, 2012

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A. Hello Gentlemen. I have tried several approaches to electrodepositing Mn and Mn-Co and have concluded that the dark powdery deposit can be overcome by using a temperature of 125 °F - 137 °F and a current density of 16 - 25 ASF. I was running an ion ratio of 90% Mn / 10% Co in solution and the deposit x-rayed at 62% Mn and 38% Co, but I am making strides to overcome that by jimmying the temperature. I also used a cobalt strike plate prior to the Mn-Co interlayer and did not observe any powdery rub-off whatsoever. Anyway...FYI...just thought I would chime in.

! Hi Safira. I am not a chemist and don't quite understand your experiment, so we'll have to wait for someone more familiar with it. In the meanwhile though, please review Trevor Crichton's comment on topic 35858.

Regards,