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Cleaning tarnish from brass fire extinguishers
Quickstart: Discussion suggests nearly countless proprietary products for removing lacquer coatings and tarnish ...
... but two interesting non brand name ideas for removing the lacquer include slathering it with metal polish like Brasso then lighting it so the lacquer burns off, or boiling the parts in baking soda.
Removing the tarnish with vinegar & salt remains a very popular idea, but often also requires finishing up with metal polish to turn the resulting salmon color back to the warm yellow color of brass.
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Q. I have a few Brass Fire Extinguishers that I would like to restore. I have read everybody's advice on how to use the cleaners. I guess what my question is, since I collect the extinguishers myself: how do I restore it without losing value (personal of course) of the items? will the restoring of the extinguishers lose value? Also, has anyone ever heard of a manufacturer called " SWORDS" in Rockford Illinois, They are the ones who manufactured this specific extinguisher, and I'd like a brief history to go along with my antique.
David KelleyColona Fire Rescue - Colona, Illinois
2001
Ed. note: We don't think the market for brass fire extinguishers is robust enough to definitely establish that the market for tarnished extinguishers exceeds the value of shiny restored ones or vice versa, but by spending a little reviewing them on eBay maybe you can answer the question to your own satisfaction [adv: brass fire extinguishers on eBay] Good luck!
A. I have found the best solution to clean brass and copper items is to soak them in a mixture of citric acid ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and water overnight, and then clean with soapy fine steel wool ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . The items then only need a final polish and sealing. Citric acid is quite cheap and is used in soft drink manufacture.
(I live on a saltwater bay & have stainless steel railings on a balcony which have needed continuous cleaning due to the salt air, and I have been looking for a suitable sealer which will resist the elements. I have found a product called "Nycote" [adv: Nycote on eBay]. I have no affiliation with this Company but it seems the ideal solutions for sealing all metals after finishing. As opposed to lacquer which breaks down quickly and needs to be completely stripped back, this product can be rubbed back and coated in the area of damage only.
Peter Connors- Australia
2002
Thanks Peter. Easy removability with lacquer thinner ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] Warning! highly flammable! is one of the advantages of brass lacquer ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , but other clear coatings like Nycote and Everbrite [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] have their place too.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
A. I have cleaned the bottom of a large brass lamp with Wright's Copper Cream ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and found that it does the work for the most part.
Taryn Miller- Everett, Washington
2002
A. I restore a lot of brass, The vinegar ⇦in bulk on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and salt does work ok. A friend of mine brought over some stuff called Zap Restorer ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] which did much better. When I checked the ingredients, I found that it contained sulfuric and hydrochloric acid. So I got some muriatic acid ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] (diluted hydrochloric) and tried it out. I found I still need to dilute it about 5 to one, but it does wonders. It may turn brass pink which I then fix by following up the acid treatment with an over the counter paste brass polish. I also use the steel wool ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] after the acid with excellent results.
Paco Marshall- Bound Brook, New Jersey
2003
Someone mentioned trying toilet bowl cleaner to clean pitted brass. I just tried using some toilet bowl cleaner ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] which contains hydrochloric acid. I used with gloves ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] on and elbow grease and it did a great job on my black and rust-colored spots on the brass. YEA! I'll follow with commercial brass cleaner and protectant spray.
B E Myers- Glastonbury, Connecticut
2003
I bought a copper plate today at a yard sale for $1.00, It was black, but I knew it would look great if I could get it clean. So I asked Jeeves and found this list of responses, all I can say is WOW, I used Salt and vinegar and with very little effort it worked like a charm.
Thanks everyone for you help.
Cecilia Miles- Palm Bay, Florida
2004
! I have an antique brass bed headboard which had become quite tarnished. I tried Never Dull and Brasso and was the better part of three days doing just one end post. I then tried plain white vinegar ⇦in bulk on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and 000 steel wool ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . In less than 2 hours I had the entire headboard shining.
David E. OLSEN- STEWARTSVILLE, New Jersey
2004
Vintage Brass Beds & Parts on eBay [affil link]
Q. I am trying to strip/restore hardware from cabinets in our 112 year-old home. They appear to be brass, as some parts will shine to a brassish color, but other parts only get like a dull pewter. I used a product called "Goof Off" ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] to remove the paint, and "Maas Metal polish" ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] to try to get the shine, but I really need something that will do a better job. There is a black layer of junk (probably years of dirt and hand oils) that is very stubborn to remove, as they are somewhat ornate. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Susan Laytonhome-owner - Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania
2004
Q. Regarding the citric acid product for cleaning brass prior to applying a lacquer finish, is there a particular brand that you could recommend that is readily available. I have a matched set of lamp bases that I am refinishing or possibly sending them out for refinishing. Thanks for any help you can offer.
Ken VanDe Walkerstained glass - Olean, New York
2004
Ed. note: We can't compare or recommend specific brands or sources of products in this forum ( huh? why?), but Stellar Solutions [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] are specialists in citric acid products.
Q. Hi Good luck, regards Joe f depares- Ta-Xbiex, M A L T A, Europe 2004 RE:300 yr. old coins if you don't want to lose the value of these coins DON'T CLEAN. If value doesn't matter I found using toilet bowl cleaner ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and steel wool ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] works great ! Sheila Brown- Salisbury, Massachusetts Q. I am toying with the idea of trying to clean heavily encrusted ancient Roman bronze coins with my pool Hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Can someone please tell me what will happen if I combine these two together? Will it clean the 2000 years of encrusted dirt off? Hobbyist - Sydney, NSW, Australia 2006 Roman Coins on eBay (affil link) A. Hi, John. Not a good idea. Too harsh. Even the vinegar and salt is too harsh for precious items, but less problematic than the acid. Please see if the coins have value before risking ruining them. On EBay they vary from $0.99 to $50,000 Regards, Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey |
You guys are amazing! I just removed a 30+ yo door knocker from my house. It was dingy, pitted, and looked terrible. I followed the advice from two or three postings on this site and did the following. It looks practically new, with no immediate sign of pitting. (If you look really close, there is the lightest discoloration. If I worked harder, it would likely go away, too.)
1. In a plastic bucket, I soaked the knocker in soapy water for 20+ minutes and then scrubbed it with a non-abrasive scrubber. Wow! much better already!
2. Made a solution of 3 parts vinegar ⇦in bulk on eBay or Amazon [affil links] to 1 part water (approx. 5 oz/part), approx. 1/2 t salt, and 4 or 5 drops of liquid dish soap. Swished it up, and soaked the knocker about a half hour. Scrubbed it down again with the non-abrasive pad. It was a pretty rosy brass color -- shiny, but still indications of pitting. Rinsed it. Washed it again with soapy water, and dried with a dishcloth.
3. Used Flitz ⇦[this on eBay or Amazon affil links] and a soft cloth for about 5 minutes to give a final polish. The cloth came out black the minute I started rubbing. And the pitting (or maybe it's the oxidation in the pits) just rubbed away. The rose color left, and it looks like shiny yellow brass. I rinsed with warm soapy water and dried it again.
4. I think I'll finish up with a layer of wax so I don't have to repeat this process tomorrow!
Mary Allsopp- Glen Ellyn, Illinois
2004
A. I pastor a church that is several years old. When we first got started our funds were very limited and many of the chancel furnishings and accouterments were either donated or were used and bought for very little. Most of them hadn't been properly cared for and several items were 150-200 years old and very neglected. I did much of the work myself.
For the smaller items (vessels, processional cross tops, etc.) cleaning in soapy water, then soaking for 20-40 minutes in 1:2 white vinegar and water solution with a bit of salt did wonders. A little 00 steel wool ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] helped on the difficult spots followed by Brasso ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and some wax ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] has kept everything in excellent shape.
Fr. William Klock- Portland, Oregon
2004
A. Try this: To see if your item is solid brass and not just plated, use a refrigerator magnet. A magnet will not stick to brass. If a magnet DOES stick to your item, you probably have steel covered with brass plating. Don't use heavy duty polishing agents on brass plating, because the layer of brass is so thin that you'll just polish it away. If the magnet doesn't stick, you can do another test in an inconspicuous place: scratch the item with something sharp. If it's brass, you'll see bright yellow under your scratch. If you see white or silver, you probably have zinc or another metal plated with brass.
Have been trying to polish an old trombone; after trial & error & research here's what I've learned: A lot of brass has a lacquer finish on it. Brasso or other tarnish-removers won't clean through the lacquer. You first have to strip off the lacquer. This can be done with paint stripper or --easier-- hot water. I used a Scotch pad from Home Depot's paint dept. which was made for paint stripping
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links] (equivalent to medium-fine steel wool). I would have used a finer pad
⇦ this on
eBay or
Amazon [affil links] if I had it, for less scratching.
Once the lacquer is off, Brasso
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links] works wonders. I've also heard that vinegar & salt works (use lots of salt, so much that it stops dissolving in the vinegar). If the lacquer is still on, you can polish all day and won't get anywhere. I'm no expert but this is what worked for me.
- Michigan
2004
Thanks to all of you for giving me some really great ideas! I'd tried in vain this morning, to remove the dull tarnish from a small brass teapot I've just received as an heirloom. When I was a young girl I used to polish this same teapot to a bright brass finish, but I guess nobody else did that job after me. 40+ years of tarnish would not be removed by using Brasso or Nevr-dull wadding polish, so I turned to the Internet and found your suggestions.
I heated up 2 cups of apple cider vinegar in a bowl in the microwave, then added 8 big tablespoons of salt to it, and a few squirts of lemon juice for good measure. This worked like a charm! The teapot turned pink quickly as I sponged it all over with the warm solution. Then I used Brasso ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] to remove the pink, and as a last effort, used Nevr-dull ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] which is less messy, and now the teapot just gleams! Thank you my friends, for making my day as bright as this teapot!
Carol Hook- Annandale, Virginia
2005
! This is regarding all brass issues: I have a brass bed that was made in England and shipped to the USA. The company where it was purchased told me BRASSO will strip the brass and ruin it. They told me to use Wrights Brass Polish ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] first then once all of that is off the bed apply Turtle Wax ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . Let it dry then rub it off. It adds a layer of protection to the brass.
Sandra Garrett- Gallatin, Tennessee
2006
A. My hand strength isn't good enough for extensive hand polishing so I used my Black and Decker Scumbuster
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links]
instead. It is less abrasive than using fine steel wool but I wouldn't use it on brass plating, just solid brass for a 1x polish to get years of tarnish off. I don't think I'd use a motorized tool like this regularly on an antique metal but for a 1x only job, I am doing well and it looks nice! (And I'd never get it polished otherwise!)
I'm using the hand polisher with a brass cleaner and wiping periodically. Right now the bed is together but I'm going to take it apart to make this easier. I'm so excited, the bed is a 1920's king with HUGE double balls at the head and foot board and the headboard is an enormous decorative piece. It's a great bed.
- Phila., Pennsylvania
A. A remarkable cleaning product that you can use to remove heavy tarnish is called Flitz ⇦[this on eBay or Amazon affil links] . They make several polishes and cleaners and this stuff is amazing. You can purchase the products direct from their website, or from Amazon.
This is the best stuff I have ever used.
Michele Gronke- Twin Lakes, Wisconsin
June 14, 2008
Q. HELP! FIREPLACE INSERT BRASS BLUES . We have a fireplace insert that burns wood, and the door has brass all around the edge (of a window)...my question is this: how do I effectively clean and brighten the brass? I have tried Brasso, but not to my satisfaction. It seemed to take off some of the dirt and dullness, but there appears to be layers. My insert has only been used for ONE burning season! Any suggestions? Thank you!
Carrie Lynn Coyleconsumer - Mishawaka, Indiana
2006
I am cleaning brass hinges and door knobs in my older 1949 home. I found that a product called Barkeepers Friend
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links] , similar to Zud ⇨
works with ease. Just rub with a sponge and water and it comes off nicely.
- Cobleskill, New York
2006
I am a Louisiana State Trooper, and all of our uniform brass comes with a heavy Lacquer on it. To remove it, all you need to do is put a heavy coat of Brasso ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] on it, light it on fire, and let it burn out. Then you will just wipe the lacquer off. You are still gonna need to use a little elbow grease, but it works. (wouldn't recommend this on large items). To polish the brass, we all agree that a Dremel ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] tool with a felt attachment works best. I use a paste called Maas metal polish ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . It seems to be not as gritty as Flitz, which will scratch the surface of the brass. HOPE THIS HELPS YALL.
*I NEED A GOOD TIP ON HOW TO KEEP MY BRASS SHINY FOR MORE THAN A DAY. (TOO MUCH HUMIDITY!)
TPR. Keith Bergeron- New Orleans, Louisiana
July 20, 2008
Q. Have some Brass knobs on my first antique piece of furniture, which are coated in a gold paint.
I am spending tomorrow following the advice posted, thank you for all the tips!
I'll test its solid brass and then try vinegar & water as I remember tedious time spent as a child polishing brass as a kid with Brasso!
Do I use hot soapy water first?
What should I use to remove the paint? Is turpentine
⇦ this on
eBay or
Amazon [affil links]
too strong?
PLEASE HELP - I can't use any harsh smelling toxins as I have a young baby in the house!
- Bradford, West Yorkshire, ENGLAND
December 28, 2008
A. Hi, Laura. Turpentine ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] is not too strong for the brass, and it should not hurt it. But yes, turpentine is a bit harsh smelling, although 'toxin' is a very vague term.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. I have a pair of solid brass antique dragon candle holders that have partially been painted with gold spray paint. How can I remove the paint without damaging the brass?
Thank you,
hobbyist - Enterprise, Alabama
July 7, 2009
A. Hi, Maggie. Solvent type paint removers (as opposed to caustic paint strippers) should have no effect on brass. Aircraft Stripper is based on methylene chloride and is really noxious stuff, requiring goggles ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and rubber gloves ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and excellent ventilation, but it easily removes almost all paints with no effect on the metal. Good luck
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Hi , I found this thread through google. I have two sets of solid brass victorian bath taps that are badly encrusted with lime scale.
on one set of taps a tried a lime scale remover I bought from a supermarket. the brass ended up pink and I cannot shift it.
I don't want this to happen to the other set of taps.
can anyone please recommend a way to remove built up limescale from antique brass without turning it pink?
the tarnish I can polish off but the lime scale is rock solid.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Rob.
- london, U.K.
October 30, 2009
A. Hi, Rob. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. The zinc is highly soluble in the same mild acids that dissolve calcium scale, leaving the metal copper-rich or orange in color.
One answer, which may or may not suit your situation, is to send the parts to a plating shop, which will have the more powerful oxidizing acids, like nitric acid, which can also dissolve copper, keeping the tone better. They also will be able to do brass plating if you wish.
Have you tried buffing your "pink" parts back to brass color? Usually the discoloration is only skin deep and a power buffer and mildly abrasive polishing compound can bring back the brass color. But even before that, just try a commercial metal polish, and consult Goran Budija's excellent posting about ammonium citrate for restoring the yellow color.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Thank you Ted , I have ordered a polishing kit and will give it a whirl. its a drill attachment kit and includes three polishing/buffing wheels and three blocks of cutting/polishing paste. I will indeed report back and perhaps try and load up some pics of my progress.
thanks again,
Rob.
- london, U.K.
Q. There was an electrical short in my towel warmer. It burnt a small section of the brass coating. Is there a way to refinish the area. Thanks in advance.
Pete Ellis- Wilmington Vermont
August 8, 2010
A Hi, Pete
If this is brass plated steel and the brass plating was damaged, it would need to be replated. There are companies who do small plating jobs in-situ with a brush plating outfit. But if the repair is not worth several hundred dollars to you, you would be limited to looking for a can of brass-tone paint that matches reasonably well.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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Q. I have a set of four brass door furniture: a knocker in the shape of a mans face and hair (lots of nooks and crannies), a knob, a place where you insert key, and a letter box. Quite stained all of them . I've always cleaned with Brasso -- a lot of hard work, any other suggestions? I could have them taken off the door to clean. Rose
- Ireland
December 3, 2010
A. I am a firm believer in the less chemicals you have to use the better! I removed old lacquer easily off exterior light fixtures by using baking soda [in bulk on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links]
and water by disassembling them and using a very large SS hot water bath canning pot and the following process:
"Make a mixture of Baking Soda and Water (1 Tablespoon of Soda to each Quart of Water) and bring to a boil.
While still boiling, immerse the item. One half at a time if your pot of solution is not large enough to immerse the item completely.
After about 15 minutes of boiling, the coating will peel and lift off. Remove from the solution and wash with hot water. (Remember to protect your hands from hot surfaces.)
Use acetone
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon
[affil links] Warning! highly Flammable!
(or non-oily nail polish remover) on a cotton or wool pad to remove any remaining stubborn coating."
Then, I removed all the hard crusty tarnish (looked almost like rust it was so badly oxidized) and darkened tarnish by immersing the exterior brass light fixtures in this solution: 2 t. citric acid
⇦ this on
eBay
or
Amazon [affil links] to 1 qt. boiling water. Stir it around a little. I used 2 qty. Rhodes American grade #0000
⇦ this on
eBay or
Amazon [affil links]
pads to wipe away any heavily tarnished residue. Do not use coarser steel pads as they will scratch the brass; grade "#OOOO" will not. My light fixtures were highly polished brass light fixtures--20 years old and 20 years of tarnish. These methods works so well and removed the tarnish so easily. I cannot tell you how many different kinds of commercial cleaners and how much money I spent on them prior to trying this. Nothing worked like this.
I did have some pinkish brass areas, that was probably due to the copper/zinc metals that brass is made from. I have read online that Wrights Brass Polish ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] will remove the pink discoloration and ordered some from Amazon. I looked everywhere (big box stores, groc. stores, Walmart, etc.) for it locally, but no one carried it, so save yourself the time and just order it. Also, you can get the "citric acid" in health food type grocery stores. I used "Dowd Rogers citric acid" that I bought at "Good Earth" health food store for $5. I used 1/2 can on three large brass light fixtures. FYI, citric acid is used in canning pickles, tomatoes, and sprouting, so it's a food item. NOTHING works like this, and this method is good for your brass. It conditions the brass and keeps tarnish away.
Wished I'd known about this years ago! Here's the forum where I found out about this amazing brass cleaner:
castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?83572-Citric-acid-brass-cleaner
You will be amazed at how easy this is...
Have a safe great day!
- Lindon, Utah USA
September 27, 2014
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