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Non-cyanide silver plating baths?




RFQ: I am seeking vendors of non-cyanide silver plating baths. Any vendor is welcome to respond.

Joel Bandstra
- Johnstown, Pennsylvania
1996

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RFQ: Hi, I am looking to deposit Silver onto silicon, using either electrochemical deposition or electroless deposition. If you have any info on baths for these processes, could you please let me know. Thanks, Aundrea

Aundrea Tavakkoly
- Santa Barbara, California
2000

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A. Hi, folks. EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser], Technic, Zinex, and possibly others, offer cyanide-free silver plating baths. Usually these have been restricted to electronics applications rather than decorative use as the color is a bit "off" -- but we may need to start accepting it even if the color is slightly different.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




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1998

RFQ: I need information where I can buy a cyanide-free silver bath. I have heard that such a bath exist in USA but I need more information.

Best regards
Jorgen

Jorgen Pettersson

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A. Technic is one company that sells that product. They call it cyless silver. I think that they were the first major company to market a cyanide free silver.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
1998


A. Ebrite 50/50 an alkaline non-cyanide silver is being marketed by EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser]

bob morrison
- ormond beach, florida
1998



2003

A. Pyrophosphate silver bath:

potassium pyrophosphate.......100-350 gm
ammonium carbonate...........20-145 gm
silver pyrophosphate..........15-90 gm
water.........................1 lit
SS anode

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia




Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors :-)



Q. Hey, we have a small job shop in Israel. we make coatings of silver on copper-zinc alloys. we are working with silver 90, cyanide silver bath, and want to replace with non-cyanide bath. Really thank for any information from people working with such bath. problems? , change in equipment?, smell?, stability? etc. Thanks.

Ido Mashall
- Israel
2000


2003

A. You can try with potassium ferrocyanide silver plating bath:
40 gm silver chloride
200 gm potassium ferrocyanide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] 2
0 gm potassium carbonate
stainless steel anode
0,5 A/dm2-3V-20° C (temp.)

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia



A. Hi, Ido. There are commercial non-cyanide silver plating baths available from such suppliers as EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser], Technic, and Zinex.

However, these have usually been reserved for electronic applications as even the vendors acknowledge that the color isn't quite right to match conventional cyanide silver plating. But things are always getting better and you can certainly try them. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




RFQ: Looking for sources for Pre-plated (silver) ETP Cu/Brass sheets/coils. We are a leading 1st tier automotive switch manufacturer in India. For switches we are manufacturing different kind of terminals and contact strips in ETP copper and Brass. Currently after production of these items from press tools we are getting these silver plated. We are now looking forward to sources/suppliers for pre-plated (Silver) ETP copper & Brass sheet/coils so that we are able to eliminate silver plating process at our end.

Anil S Makhloga
automotive switch manufacturers - Gurgaon, Haryana, India
2003

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Q. We use electroplating to silver plate copper and other metals. Is there a silver plating solution that does not contain Cyanide? If so please provide the contact information.

Jay Sandridge
- Amarillo, Texas USA
2002

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2004

A. Some cyanide free silver plating baths:

Ferrocyanide bath:
10 gms silver chloride
20 gms potassium ferrocyanide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links]
20 gms potassium carbonate
1 lit water,SS anodes

Pyrophosphate bath:
15 gm silver(in nitrate or phosphate salt)
100 gm potassium pyrophosphate
25 gm ammonium carbonate
1 lit water

Ferrocyanide-sulphite bath:
add 40 gm sodium sulphite to previously described ferrocyanide bath

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia




Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors :-)



Q. I am a chemical engineering student from the Philippines and just want to know if there's any other solution that I can used for recovering silver from silver nitrate by the use of electrolysis. Because all our researches were pointing to cyanide w/c we don't want to use because of its toxicity. And we urgently need it to use for our research class. Thank you very much.

Cecille Regullano
student - Trece Martirez City, Cavite, Philippines
2005



A. I'm in a similar situation, except mine is with silver sputtered copper masks. I've been researching this problem and have found a lot of valuable information online at Dicks Encyclopedia from the year 1875 this was an unpublished book. I also found information from The Household Cyclopedia-Metallurgy. Just a little information; Nitric Acid with a specific gravity of 1.5 acts on silver but not copper; it renders copper more electro-negative than before, less oxidizable and deprives it of the property of decomposing the acid and precipitating the silver. Silver nitrate is nothing more than silver suspended in solvent (a solvent made of acid which can be very exothermic and nitrous). According to these documents. The silver can precipitated out by using NaCL (purified table salt) which throws it down into the bottom of the pot as silver chloride. The chunks of silver chloride when removed must be rinsed by distilled water and placed in a zinc cup and continually rinsed to remove the chloride leaving almost pure silver. To purify it more it must be boiled in Potash (potassium sulphate) to remove the rest of the chlorides along with a dash of sugar. There is already equipment manufactured in USA to help remove the silver from silver nitrate called Hallmark Refining they have piece of equipment called the Mark7.

Michael Paul Boyer
CD/DVD Manufacturing - Zephyrhills, Florida, USA
2005


A. Maybe you can use sodium thiosulphate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] ?! According to title of your question you can use potassium ferrocyanide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] (less than 1% of potassium cyanide toxicity), thiourea this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , pyrophosphate, iodide, sulphite or thiocyanate solution (rhodanide). Good luck and hope it helps!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia
2005


A. Pure silver is manufactured with electrolysis out of an silver nitrate solution. The only thing you have to look at is , that silver, which is deposited out of a silver nitrate solution won't form a homogenous layer, there will be a crystalline growth. This crystals have to be removed from the cathode before they reach the anode .

You should be able to find more information like voltage to use , concentration and working conditions if you look for purification of silver, every better chemistry book should be able to give you some help.

Marcus Hahn
- Lucerne, Switzerland
2005


A. The simple way is to throw in 00 steel wool this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and filter the silver off or add sodium chloride and precipitate silver chloride. Dissolve the chloride in sodium thiosulphate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and electrolyse. This is how the photographic industry gets silver out of used fixer and commercial equipment is available.I can think of no way that cyanide would help.

Note; DO NOT electrolyse the nitrate solution. When most of the silver has been removed, the nitrate is electrolysed to ammonia this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] which can react with the silver to produce a variety of highly explosive silver/nitrogen compounds.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
2005




Q. I am an engineering student from the US and I am researching methods for plating silver upon copper. All the processes I found so far require the use of potassium cyanide or other cyanide compounds, and we don't want to use it because of its toxicity. We urgently need to find a plating process because our research requires various levels of thickness of silver plated on copper. Thank you very much!

Yu-ping
Engineering Research Center - Fort Collins, Colorado, USA
2006


adv.
EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] offers cyanide-free silver plating processes.

A. When you talk to them, get a complete process for plating silver on copper. I think that you will need a silver strike and probably a nickel strike. I am not aware of any non cyanide silver strikes. They may have work around methods.

Their web site says that their 50-50 solution will plate directly to copper. Ask them if the copper does not migrate thru the silver over time.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
2006


A. Monovalent silver metal which is complexed by a thiosulphate ion is developed as a cyanide-free silver plating process. Such electrolyte is operating at acidic pH with a stabilizer of an organic sulfinate compound. Suitable compounds include those having the formula R-SO2-X wherein R is an alkyl or aryl moiety and X is a monovalent cation. The stabilizer is present in an amount sufficient to stabilize the thiosulphate ion when the solution is operated at an acidic pH.

David Shiu
David Shiu
- Singapore
2006



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