No passwords, No popups, No AI, No cost:
we earn from your affiliate purchases

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
ted_yosem
Sound technical content, curated with aloha by
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
finishing.com -- The Home Page of the Finishing Industry


  pub
  The authoritative public forum
  for Metal Finishing since 1989

-----

Avoiding tin-embrittlement of steel through coating or material selection




March 29, 2011

First off, thank you to the contributors and editors of this forum and website. It is a valuable resource that I've reviewed periodically for several years. And now to my question:

Our group at the university offers no-cost assistance to manufacturers in the state, and I am currently fielding a question from a local company who uses formed and welded 12-gauge mild steel as a cover over the top of a float glass operation. This cover regularly requires replacement, and replacement costs are prohibitively high. I am seeking ideas on an alternative material, or a coating that would help.

In their application hot glass floats on a bath of liquid tin and this steel cover is mainly used to maintain a protective atmosphere for the tin, but also to keep debris (including tin droplets) off of the glass. Over time (10-12 months) the steel becomes quite brittle and requires a change-out, which is quite expensive because operation is interrupted.

The environment within the chamber is an elevated temperature mixture of nitrogen, hydrogen (5%), along with some hydrogen sulfide, tin sulfide, and water vapor. Chlorine is periodically introduced into the system with a duration and frequency of 1 hour every few months (not clear on a reason for this step). The cover is ~5" above the glass (which itself is 600 - 700° C), but it is somewhat protected by a heat exchanger and a 1" thick ceramic board shield. Portions of the steel cover are still expected to reach 500° C.

Analysis isn't yet complete, but an early hypothesis is that liquid/solid metal embrittlement is leading to the degradation of the steel. Fracture faces show that the fracture mode is intergranular, energy dispersive spectroscopy shows a high (over 1%) concentration of tin on the fracture face along with isolated iron-tin intermetallics situated at triple-points (where 3 steel grains meet), and x-ray fluorescence shows a very high concentration of tin on both the inner and outer surfaces of the steel cover. Polished cross-sections reveal the presence of a Mn-S intermetallic (below the general oxide layer) that seems to penetrate the steel at external grain boundaries (to a depth of 40 microns in some areas), and some localized areas where this Mn-S penetration is much deeper. I haven't yet determined if this Mn-S near the surface is formed by a reaction with hydrogen sulfide (thoughts?).

In reviewing information and papers on embrittlement by tin it seems that most steels would be considered susceptible. The end goal would be an economical alternate material, or a coating, that would avoid liquid metal embrittlement by tin, while also dealing well with the other environmental conditions. Some ideas I've considered were chrome plating the steel, or using copper sheet instead of steel. Neither of these ideas seem terribly economical, and copper would not likely deal well with hydrogen sulfide or chlorine. I am curious if anyone has better ideas.
Many thanks!

Rick Lopez
- Ames, Iowa, USA



April 20, 2011

Sir:

In my basement I have a book, the title being something like "Corrosion and Corrosion Protection Handbook," which I purchased several years ago. It addresses the very types of problem(s) you describe. Unfortunately my basement is not well organized, and searching this book is very time consuming.

Regards, Dr. Thomas H. Cook, Hot Springs, South Dakota, USA

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota, USA



Dear Mr Rick,

Hello !

In my view (not sure) but I guess using stainless steel having composition of nickel, would solve your problem as its stain proof sheets.

Thanks

RAJESH OJHA
- JODHPUR, RAJASTHAN, India
April 22, 2011



<
simultaneous replies

Titanium-aluminum-tin is a common alloy of titanium. I have only used CP (commercially pure) Ti, but this might be worth a try. There is (I hope still) an outfit in Oregon, B-J, that fabricates Ti by spinning and maybe other processes. Their crucibles were very rugged. The temperature in your app is well under 800° C, so it should not have transus problems.

Brian Fitzpatrick
- Peekskill, New York, USA



If I understand you correctly, the steel plate covers the molten tin bath and comes into contact with it. If this is the case, your problem is almost certainly caused by the molten tin diffusing into the steel to form an iron-tin intermetallic (FeSn2). This is characteristically grey in colour. The only way to prevent intermetallics forming is to use a system that doesn't form them. Off hand I cannot think of a suitable cheap metal sheet that will fit this criterion, but if you look in the Metals Handbook, I am sure you will find some. Using stainless steel will reduce the rate of intermetallic formation, but will not stop it.

trevor crichton
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK




(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

Finishing
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g,
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"