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Removing sodium ion form nickel solution
Q. Please help!
Sir I have 1500 liters of nickel solution for the past 10 years; recently we have used sodium chloride instead of nickel chloride, and I have used sodium hydroxide to increase ph of the bath.
Sir I am facing the problem of salt spray failure sir please suggest a way to remove sodium ion for the nickel bath.
Thanks for all who help me.
owner of a plating shop - Bangalore, India
September 6, 2009
A. I have never heard of a way to remove sodium ions from a nickel bath. - Navarre, Florida September 9, 2009 A. Perhaps I am missing something, but why is the presence of sodium ions causing salt spray failure? Salt spray failure is due to a breakdown of the surface coating - be it a conversion coating or a metal deposit. It sounds like the nickel thickness is wrong, so increase the amount being deposited. Trevor Crichton R&D practical scientist Chesham, Bucks, UK September 9, 2009 A. Dear Aboo backar, T.K. Mohan plating process supplier - Mumbai, India September 9, 2009 |
Q. Thank for answering and helping me.
But sir when sodium ion is present in nickel solution it increase the porosity of the nickel deposit will this not lead to the failure of salt spray test? And can anyone tell me to pass 24 hrs of salt spay test in Neutral Salt Spray, 5% sodium chloride, ASTM B117
How many microns of bright nickel is required and how many micron of chrome (decorative)
is required to pass this test .Thanking you all for helping . waiting for your answer.
owner of a plating shop - Bangalore India
September 11, 2009
NaCl or NiCl2 for nickel electroplating bath
Q. Hello everybody,
I am still working on nickel electroplating :)
I would like to develop a new "home made" nickel bath. For the composition, I have seen in different books and papers some baths are made with NaCl and others are made with NiCl2, for the addition of Chloride in the bath.
What is the difference between NaCl and NiCl2 in the nickel bath? Which is the best and why? NiCl2 is more popular but why sometimes NaCl is used, why?
Could you help me please, let me know if you need more information.
Best Regards
- Berne, Switzerland
February 14, 2020
A. Hi Thomas. We appended your inquiry to this thread, and we're also linking to topic 23867 "Watts Nickel Plating Problem: pH is too low. How to Fix?" to demonstrate that some people think that a lot of sodium is a problem and others don't.
I'm not a nickel plater, but personally I've never heard of using NaCl in making up any kind of nickel plating bath, whereas the Watts Nickel bath (NiSO4, NiCl2, boric acid) has been very widely used around the world for many decades. Unless you are talking about launching a massive R&D effort I don't think it's a good idea to start from other than the Watts bath. Is there some property you feel you can better obtain from another bath rather than Watts?
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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February 2020
Q. Hello, - Berne, Switzerland A. NaCl will supply adequate chloride, BUT... Jeffrey Holmes, CEF Spartanburg, South Carolina February 29, 2020 |
Q. Hello,
Thank you Jeffrey for your reply! Na can cause a brittle deposit, Are there any references or papers on this effect of Na on nickel plating?
Thank you,
Best Regards
- Berne, Switzerland
March 4, 2020
A. Here, page 70. https://www.nmfrc.org/pdf/psf2002/090268.pdf Jeffrey Holmes, CEF Spartanburg, South Carolina March 7, 2020 A. My preference would always be for NiCl2, because NaCl is much less soluble and Na ions can cause stress in the nickel deposit. The reason for adding chloride ions to a Watts nickel bath is to promote anode dissolution, unless you are using sulfur depolarised anodes when, in theory, you do not need chloride ions; this is one of the advantages of nickel sulphamate baths. Trevor Crichton R&D practical scientist Chesham, Bucks, UK March 7, 2020 |
March 9, 2020
Hello,
Thank you Jeffrey and Trevor for your replies!! Ok, as I understand NaCl is not a good ingredient in a Nickel bath because too much Na leaves a brittle deposit.
In my case, my nickel coating will be under a precious metal and the thickness will be very small (less than 1 micron). The brittleness of the nickel coating should not be a problem but I will follow your recommendation : I will use NiCl2 (not NaCl), it will be better I think.
Best Regards
- Berne, Switzerland
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