No passwords, No popups, No AI, No cost:
we earn from your affiliate purchases

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
ted_yosem
Sound technical content, curated with aloha by
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
finishing.com -- The Home Page of the Finishing Industry


  pub
  The authoritative public forum
  for Metal Finishing since 1989

-----

Reduction in hard chrome plating hardness from grinding




July 30, 2009

We had hard chrome plated a component to 175-200 microns, checked the microhardness which 950 HV+, and after post grinding with residual thickness of 60-70 microns again the microhardness was checked .It showed 720-730 Hv
while grinding care was taken to take small cuts and with coolant

Wondering what could have caused the reduction
can anyone guide on this subject

Prashant Soman
Plating shop owner - Ambernath, Maharashtra, INDIA



simultaneous replies
"Hard Chromium plating"
by Robert K. Guffie
Hard Chromium plating by Robert K. Guffie
on AbeBooks
(rarely)

or eBay
(rarely)

or Amazon

(affil links)
"Chromium Plating"
by Weiner & Walmsley
chrome_weiner_rare
on AbeBooks
(rarely)

or eBay
(rarely) or

Amazon
(rarely)

(affil links)
July 31, 2009

Simply stated, your measurement system is invalid!

Vickers is a microhardness, so it is cut, mounted sideways so that you can get a hardness from the chrome with no input from the substrate and the indentation measured with a microscope. 70 microns are not enough to get a valid HV.

If you are using Rc and converting it, then you are having a greater influence of the softer substrate as the chrome gets thinner.

Softer chrome only happens when you exceed 600 °F and I guarantee that it will peel if that temp is reached in grinding, even instantaneously.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


Are you measuring hardness parallel to the surface or perpendicular? If the last then you are taking a reading that is influenced by the substrate lower hardness. The thinner the chrome the more deviation. Plating and other thin coatings and surface treatments must be checked by a micro hardness indentation parallel to the surface. Otherwise, thickness must be at least 6 to 8 times the depth of indentation to eliminate influence.

Guillermo Marrufo
Monterrey, NL, Mexico
August 2, 2009



when we measured the hardness parallel to surface the hardness was 950+ and when we measured it perpendicular it showed 730.
But there are other components were we get more hardness when checked perpendicular to surface.
also we observed that on one more component,when the hardness was checked perpendicular to the surface it showed 1050, but we could see mud crack effect.
could that be because of grinding ?

Prashant Soman
- Ambernath, Maharashtra, INDIA
August 4, 2009



August 5, 2009

For true readings, you must check it perpendicular. I think that you are not polishing the sample adequately causing the indentor to strike in high spots as well as on the point , which will give you a false reading -low.

The only way grinding can lower the hardness of chrome is to burn it and that almost always will cause it to peel, especially on a 70 micron thickness.

PUS: You are getting extremely hard chrome if you are over 1100. This would further make me believe that you are not using your hardness tester correctly.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida



August 10, 2009

Hello,

which method are you using. Principle-wise you can measure the hardness with thickness of 70 microns. Depends on method and weight which you use. The diamond print leaves a 10% diamond shape in vertical and diagonal according to thickness of the to be measured substrate.

Regards

Dominik Michalek
- Mexico City, Mexico


none
adv.
this text gets replaced with bannerText
spacer gets replaced with bannerImages



(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

Finishing
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g,
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"