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Homemade patina recipes?




Q. I am interested in using typical household products to making my Patinas, instead of buying chemicals.

Joe Troup
hobbyist - Apple Valley, California, USA
2007


? When you say "typical household products" I assume you mean fruit juices and generic chemicals like vinegar in bulk on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and bleach and ammonia? I'd avoid proprietary household cleaners: the problem is you won't know what is in them or why, and they can change at any time the manufacturer decides.

Can you start us off with a patina that you have discovered so we can get the flavor of what you're talking about? What color does it generate and what metal does it work on? Thanks!

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2007



"The Complete Metalsmith"

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A. Hi Joe

I work with copper and use salt, vinegar and cloudy ammonia to produce different patinas. You can spray your item with vinegar, sprinkle it with salt and put it in a sealed container with a dish of cloudy ammonia overnight. Next day, rinse the salt mixture off, allow to dry and you should have a blue patina on a dark background. I also bury pieces in sawdust dampened with vinegar, this gives an interesting effect but less colourful. Tim McCreight's book "The Complete Metalsmith".
has some other patina recipes using common ingredients.

Best of luck!

Liz Turnbull
- Denmark, Western Australia
2007




Q. I gave a bronze sculpture to one of my children which I sculpted years ago of Don Quixote. Somehow the sword he holds in his raised right hand was broken off and my son wants to replace it. He has some good ideas as to forming the sword out of a strip of copper, and re-attaching it. He wants to make the sword with the same color like the rest of the bronze. He asked me what the patina was. I told him that my best recollection it was liver of sulfur this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] but I do not want him to get involved using that stuff.
Is there any household stuff he could use?
Thank you,

John Daunt
Sculptor - Pasadena California
January 26, 2009



Liver of Sulfur

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Amazon

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A. Hi, John. These days you can buy liver of sulfur as a reasonably dilute liquid this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , and it is possible that it may have less baggage than the stuff you remember. But it may also be possible to use crushed hard boiled eggs as a source of sulfur dioxide, although obviously the reaction with metal is far less controlled.

If you type "blacken copper" into our search engine you will see a dozen or more threads on ways to darken copper. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
January , 2009


A. OK. I'm giving up a trade secret but here goes. This is for copper or alloy plate. Do this outside as it emits chloramine. After cleaning your copper or copper alloy, immerse in household bleach with no dilution for 4+ hours. There are many variations at this point. With about 1/4 inch of bleach above the piece drop a few milliliters of one or all of the following solutions directly above various locations on the plate: nitric acid (try different concentrations but 20% works well), citric acid (1 gram/10 ml water), ferric chloride, 20%, phosphoric acid (use the degreaser from auto parts stores 100%. Any acidic solution of pH 3 or lower will work. Vinegar or lemon juice works. Let sit for 1 hour and remove piece and rinse gently with cool water. Remove any thick blue precipitate buildup by shaking in a tray. If this doesn't remove the buildup, try spraying with water. Allow to dry but don't expose to sun. Produces nice outerspace effects. Spray with lacquer after a day or so. Glossy is my preference.

Kamel Elzalaki
- Grass Valley California USA
October 9, 2011


A. If you want to make a patina, get a scrap piece of copper and place it in perlite, that's the stuff you place in soil to let the soil have more air. Place a small amount of acid, I use sulfuric or hydrochloric acid. Get the media damp, it's almost dry to the touch. place copper in. In 1 or 2 days the copper will be covered in green patina .It will be like paint.Scrape that patina off and collect and repeat. Let it dry and you will have green powder you can add water or urethane and you have paint on patina.

Kevin Brzezowicz
- Milwaukee Wisconsin
November 30, 2015




"Patinas for Silicon Bronze"
by patrick V. Kipper

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Need cold golden patina for bronze

Q. Client has a fixed bronze table on site. Patination made complicated. Need a cold golden patina recipe!
Appreciated
Dirk

Dirk Jooste
- South Africa
February 25, 2015




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