No passwords, No popups, No cost, No AI:
we earn from 'affiliate link' purchases, making the site possible

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
ted_yosem
Sound technical content, curated with aloha by
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
finishing.com -- The Home Page of the Finishing Industry

  The authoritative public forum
  for Metal Finishing since 1989
  mfhotline


  -----

Type-I Chromic for High Copper Aluminum Alloys




2007

Hello,

Does anyone know why the MIL-A-8625 / MIL-PRF-8625 [on DLA] spec (para. 3.4.1) states that "Type-I coatings shall not be applied to aluminum alloys with copper content in excess of 5%".

Thank you,

Terence Savas, Project Engineer
- Irvine, California



My guess is that it's related to the known poor corrosion resistance of high copper bearing aluminum alloys. After all that is why the mil spec specifies 2024 (typically 3.8 to 4.9% by weight copper)for qualifying the process - if one can get 336 hours of protection on this alloy, they must have a good process! With copper contents over the amounts in 2024, that is in excess of 5%, the stated process control tests based on 2024 wouldn't test for this higher content.

milt stevenson jr.
Milt Stevenson, Jr.
Syracuse, New York
2007



2007

For a guess as to why the limitation is only on Type I rather than II and III as well - I'm betting on the thickness. As the anodic coat forms, any foreign bodies will eventually get covered over and included in the aluminum oxide itself - but it takes sufficient thickness to achieve it. With a Type I coating the thickness is much lower than a Type II or III, the foreign bodies (the copper) wouldn't get covered and your already poor corrosion resistance would fall even further.

But, that is only a guess. For an official answer you'd have to go to the body that controls the spec.

Jim Gorsich
Compton, California, USA



It is because copper is more soluble in chromic acid than in sulfuric or phosphoric. As it dissolves away it leaves behind corrosion sites worse than the slightly less solubility in sufuric acid. The same is true with the zinc in some 7000's series alloys. Boeing and Lockheed both spell out which 2000's and which 7000's are acceptable for chromic acid anodizing, Types I and IB (20 volts). Those alloys are listed in Aluminum How-To along with the specification number..

robert probert
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
supporting advertiser
Garner, North Carolina
probertbanner
2007




(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

Finishing
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g,
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"