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Pickling of pipes (hydraulic pipe line)
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Q. I would wish to have the detailed procedure for Pickling and Passivation of Carbon steel Pipe lines. The pipe that are pickled and passivated will be used in in an oil circulating unit.
Sampathkumar IyengarIyengar Engineers - Bangalore, Karnataka, India
2001
Q. We are looking forward to pickle a glycol tower with 7 trays. Please can I have the procedures for pickling and passivation.
Abiodun Akinola- Warri, Delta State, Nigeria
2003
A. Hi,
I'm an operations engineer at a fertilizer company in Pakistan and these days I am involved in the pickling and passivation of carbon steel pipelines (will be used for steam service) ... till now we have performed degreasing of the pipelines, I would like to share the procedure which is as follows
1.Air blowing for removing foreign particles.
2.Flushing with potable water + leak test.
3.Degreasing with sodium metasilicate
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4.Rinsing with demineralized water.
5.Pickling with 3% citric acid
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6.Rinsing
7.Passivation with citric acid + Sodium Nitrite
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8.Final rinsing with slightly alkaline demineralized. water
Hope you find it helpful
Good Luck Mate!
- Sadiqabad, Pakistan
July 15, 2009
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Q. Sir,
We need to pickle pipes for hydraulic line as fine particles of rust or oxide may damage our costly pump. We have a pipe which is 18 meters long and 12" in diameter and process we adopt is as follows.
First we pass the soda to remove oil etc, then water, then acid, then water, then nitrogen and at last we apply hydraulic. Even after doing that pipe is becoming rusty. There is time difference of 15-20 between each pass as we have to change the setup.
For small pipes we are simply dipping them in acid tank and then in water tank and then applying hydraulic oil. Neither cleaning is perfect nor further rusting is prevented. Someone has suggested applying rust preventing oil after pickling. I need to know if RP oil is safe to use in hydraulic line. Somebody please answer my all 3 queries.
Regards,
MS pipes manufacturing - Anjar, Gujrat, India
2007
A. Guardian Anti-Corrosives in Chennai, India, has proper de-rusting chemicals which will leave the pipes in a relatively passivated condition.
Consider using a less hygroscopic hydraulic oil containing corrosion preventatives. Don't risk compatibility problems with D-I-Y additions; contact the oil manufacturer's rep.
- Goleta, California
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A. You need to tell us your exact process, from the information you have given no-one could make any reasonable suggestion.
What is the material of the hydraulic pipes? It may be simply that a change of material will solve your problem.
What is the exact formulation of the pickle you are using, how long are you leaving it in contact with the steel? If your process is not robust then you may be leaving the material open to corrosion.
Finally I would not even consider a rust preventative oil as this will contaminate your hydraulic oil. You should consider a hydraulic oil with corrosion inhibitors as part of the make-up of the oil.
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK
A. Atul,
Try adding Sodium Nitrite (0.5%) in your final rinse. This will passivate the metal and prevent flash rusting. You can increase the concentration if necessary but I would not go over 1.0%. Also, use demineralized water for rinsing as the chlorides in city water will only contribute to corrosion. Hope that helps.
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Q. Dear Sir,
Thank you for your response.
Dear Mr. Joseph, please let me know the specification of Sodium Nitrite to be used, i.e., concentration, grade etc.
Dear Mr. Brian, here is the detail of process we are adopting-
1. degreasing by 5% soda for 1 hour.
2. rinsing by soft water for 15-20 min.
3. de-rusting by HCl acid for 20-30 min, 18-20% concentrate.
4. rinsing by soft water for 20-30 min, pH after rinsing 5-7
5. again soda flushing 20-30 min followed by water rinsing.
6. hydraulic oil flushing for making a layer of oil.
There is delay of approx. 15 minutes between each step for change-over. I hope I provided all the detail. Please analyse and advise.
Regards
- Anjar, Gujrat, India
A. Atul,
Can you tell us what the material is that the pipes are made of? You do not actually passivate the steel with any of the steps described (assuming that you are using a corrosion resisting steel).
Adding a corrosion inhibitor to the hydraulic oil will help. You need to talk to your hydraulic oil supplier for help with this.
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK
A. 1. Clean with 5% TSP, wetting agent and water solution, rinse, dry and inspect for cleanliness.
2. Pickle with hot 12-15% Sulfuric/water solution with an added inhibitor such as Rodine 31A. - 140-160 degrees
3. Rinse with hot water (Over 140 degrees)
4. Neutralize in 2-3% soda ash solution 140-150 degrees
5. Rinse with hot water (Over 140 degrees)
6. Passivate in a hot solution made with .25% Sodium Phosphate Monobasic, .25% sodium Phosphate Dibasic and .5% Sodium Nitrite and water (150-160 degrees)
7. Dry with hot air (Don't rinse after this step) and inspect
8. Coat with a rust inhibiting oil.
- Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida
December 29, 2010
Q. Hi,
I am Deepak, Mechanical Engineer,
How long can an HCl pickled & oiled material remain without rust. Or what is the life of pickled material (avoiding rust)?
tube mfg - Pune, Maharashtra, India
August 17, 2012
In-situ pickling of underground pipe
Q. Dear sir
Please send me the exact process with chemicals name for pickling of underground 120 meter length and diameter 63 mm, ms pipe line, please send me step by step process and how to neutralise used chemicals.
Regards,
- Surat, Gujrat, India
October 16, 2013
A. Hi Anil. There's no harm in asking, but I think it's unrealistic to expect what you ask for. Salman's, and Joseph's, and Bart's detailed info was already far more explicit than I would have expected :-)
But it's dangerous to attempt such operations with no prior hands-on training. Please retain a company offering on-site pickling and passivation services (there are a lot of them). After you've watched them once, you'll be able decide if you have enough knowledge & experience to undertake it yourself next time :-)
Good Luck, and Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Sir,
We need to pickle pipes for hydraulic line of carbon steel as fine particles of rust or oxide may damage our costly pump. We have a pipe which is 270 meters long and 1.5" in diameter. Please give me the process how can I pickle the pipe.
enterprise - Jamshedpur, jharkhand, India
August 11, 2015
A. Hi Sukesh. Anil received no answers in 2 years now beyond the great info offered by Salman, Joseph, and Bart. If you are also speaking of pipe that is in situ, I don't think you will either. Please retain a company offering on-site pickling and passivation services. Maybe you can work with them and learn how to do it yourself next time.
Speaking personally, although I have many decades of general metal finishing experience I wouldn't even dream of undertaking such a project myself since I have no specific experience with in situ pickling :-(
But good luck,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
A. Sukesh,
We need to clarify a couple of things. Are these pipes carbon steel or stainless steel?
If it's carbon steel, you can "pickle" it with a citric acid solution, which ought to strip off some material and give you a fresh surface. Since the pipe will still be carbon steel, though, it doesn't really sound like a permanent solution -- you may want to insert a filter in-line ahead of the pump instead.
If it's stainless steel, you're not really after pickling. Pickling is to improve the appearance by removing scale, etc. You want to passivate, the removal of surface iron to promote corrosion resistance. This can also be done with citric acid . Though again, if you have had a problem with your pipe developing rust particles, you are presumably subjecting it to fairly corrosive conditions and you may want to insert that filter to guard against future rust particles that may develop.
Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
McHenry, Illinois
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