No passwords, No popups, No AI, No cost:
we earn from affiliate purchases

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
ted_yosem
Sound technical content, curated with aloha by
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
finishing.com -- The Home Page of the Finishing Industry

  The authoritative public forum
  for Metal Finishing since 1989
  mfhotline


  -----

Gold brush plating wood artifacts




Q. Dear Sir,

We have a lot of wooden artifacts which have been primed with an acrylic primer. Those articles cannot be placed inside a bath. We want to apply original real gold finish. We do not know a lot about metallizing non conductive surfaces and we think brush plating is the most appropriate method. You are kindly requested let us know how to achieve such a result. If you can propose other methods of applying gold finish please let us know.

Thank you,

Ananiadis Konstantinos
Art - Peristeri, ATHENS, GREECE
2004



simultaneous replies
Gold leaf kits

on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)
"Gold Leaf Techniques"
by Kent H. Smith on
gold_leaf_techniques
AbeBooks

or eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

A. I think that you would be a lot happier by burnishing gold foil to your artifacts. Kits are sold in hobby shops in the USA. Brush plating is terribly operator sensitive and will cost quite a bit to set up.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
2004


2004

A. THE EASIEST, OR THE MOST PRACTICAL WAY, I BELIEVE FOR YOU WILL BE GILDING.

GOOD LUCK

Cair Shishani
Khair Shishani
aircraft maintenance - Al Ain, UAE



Q. Dear Sir,

Can someone advise me what specification the conductive coating should have to be able to be brush plated.

I have already used some which have silver coated copper particles and could not gold plate them.

What Current as well what voltage should I use?

Thank you
Kostas

Ananiadis Konstantinos [returning]
Art - Peristeri, ATHENS, GREECE
2004


A. OK, one more time. Brush plating is extremely operator sensitive! You obviously have not done any homework on brush plating or you would know that it takes several solutions with different voltages as well as some are reverse current. You would also then know that the amperage is dependent on the size of the "brush" , the liquid used and flow rate if a flow thru system. Start by contacting one or more brush plate vendors in your country. They can look at what you are trying to do and make recommendations. NO one can answer the question as you have asked it. Are you ready to spend several thousand dollars (US) on this project to find out that it might not work? Finally, you say that what you have does not work. How is anyone supposed to know what did not work if you do not tell us in great detail what you tried. Some people here are good, but none are mind readers.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
2004


A. I would agree with Cair and would gild the objects with real gold leaf. It would be less expensive to set up and can be learned quickly. I make hand-carved wooden signs and apply gold leaf to the letters, after priming and painting.

In essence, gold size is very carefully applied, with a small brush, only to those areas in which gold is desired. When the size has dried to a certain tackiness, the leaf is picked up with a special brush (a gilder's tip) and is first laid upon the tacky size. It is then tapped in with the gilder's tip and finally scrubbed in and burnished with a very soft, large brush. A $3 fat, dark brown, women's make-up brush from Walmart works fine.

Gold size is available in either fast or slow varieties. I prefer the slow, which will be ready to gild after 12 hours. The best brand of size is LeFranc, which (along with a gilder's tip) can be obtained from a gold leaf supplier.

A week ago, I paid $427.00 for 500, 3 3/8" X 3 3/8" sheets of 23 3/4 karat leaf. This will cover about 20 sq.ft., with the typical 50% waste. It can also be bought in 25 leaf packages for about $30. Gold leaf can be bought in about any karat, from 14K (58.3% pure) to 24K (99.9% pure).

Gold leaf is soft and scratches easily. If, and only if, the objects are to be used indoors, some sort of protective clear-coat can be used, although it will slightly dull the gold.

If you need more detailed info, just ask.

Chris Owen
- Pleasanton, California, USA
2004


A. IS THE CONDUCTIVE PAINT YOU USED HOME MADE? IF IT IS SO YOU WILL HAVE RAISINS IN A CAKE, MEANING YOU'LL HAVE A NONCONDUCTIVE GLUE FILM OVER YOUR POWDER. OTHERWISE TRY TO INCREASE VOLTAGE UP TO 30 VOLTS. IT MAY WORK AND DON'T PUT PRESSURE ON THE BRUSH OR YOU'LL SCRUB OFF THE COATING.

P.S. IF YOU USE A DUTCH FOIL GILDING YOU CAN BRUSH PLATE OVER IT IF YOU WISH.

GOOD LUCK GOD BLESS

Cair Shishani
Khair Shishani
aircraft maintenance - Al Ain, UAE
2004



Q. Our goal is to decorate with gold large wooden objects. Gilding them is very difficult and it cost a lot because people who apply this craftsmanship are very few and demand a lot of money.

We are searching for a conductive coating SUFFICIENTLY CONDUCTIVE for BRUSH plating gold.

We have spent a fortune to experiment with such conductive sample coatings and we had no good results, although most of them were excellent for TANK plating.

Can one suggest to us such proper coatings, specifications. Why they do not work with brush plating when they do an excellent work with tank plating.

ANY SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME.

Thank you,

Ananiadis Konstantinos [returning]
Decoration - Peristeri, Athens, Greece
2004


A. Hi Ananiadis. You can buy brush plating formulations from brush plating specialists, and part of your problem may be the plating solution rather than the metallizing layer. Brush plating solutions are generally much more concentrated than tank plating solutions, and might possibly include thickening agents like fumed silica or barium compounds. If you are trying to brush plate with dilute solutions you probably need excessive voltages, and therefore run into problems with the limited conductivity of the metallized layer.

Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
November 2015


A. You can use proprietary graphite based spray or paint. Finest copper powder for bronzing is also usable.

Good luck!

Goran Budija
- Zagreb , Croatia
2004




Q. Can someone give me some recipe for Chrome stripping materials with a brush plate equipment?

Thank you

ANANIADIS KONSTANTINOS [returning]
- Peristeri, Athens, Greece
2004


A. Hi, Ananiadis. Chrome can be stripped with hydrochloric acid and no need for electricity, or it can be stripped with anodic current and an alkaline (caustic) solution.

Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

Finishing
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g,
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"