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What salt is formed from iron? Is rust a salt? Does it contain a salt?
Q. What salt is formed from iron?
Helen A. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]student - Manchester, UK
2004
Hi Helen. What acid are you hypothetically putting it into? That will determine what salt it is.
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2004
A. For a complete list, look under iron in the inorganic section of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry & Physics [adv: on Amazon & AbeBooks & eBay affil links] . There is one in most libraries.
James Watts- Navarre, Florida
2004
2004
A. Helen,
Iron is a metal that will react with lots of different acids to form their respective salts. The basic reaction for any metal is: Metal + acid = metal salt + hydrogen. So, if you react iron with hydrochloric acid, you will get iron chloride and hydrogen. Similarly with sulfuric acid; iron + sulfuric acid = iron sulphate + hydrogen. This fundamental equation is true for all metals as long as they are above hydrogen in the "electrochemical series"; if they are below hydrogen, the metal will not react with the acid. For instance, you now know what iron does, but if you try to dissolve gold in a common acid, it just sits there and doesn't do anything ... now tell us why, just to prove you have understood what has been said.
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK
A. Dear Friend,
Iron forms salt even if it is not treated with any acid! Iron simply oxidizes to give Fe2O3(rust) which is also a salt?
Regards,
Dinesh [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]- Chennai, Tamilnadu, India
2004
2004
A. No, rust is an oxide (usually a hydrated oxide), not a salt. We need to stick to the established terminology of chemistry to avoid even more confusion than already exists in many people's minds. An oxide is not a salt.
If rust is reacted with (dissolved in) an acid, the product is an iron salt (just which iron salt depends on which acid, as noted by Ted previously). ACID + OXIDE or HYDROXIDE = SALT + WATER
Bill Reynolds [deceased]
consultant metallurgist - Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
We sadly relate the news that Bill passed away on Jan. 29, 2010.
A. Dear sir,
Technically, I would call iron oxide a salt. It is produced by the reaction of iron with water. Water can act as either an acid or a base as it can dissociate in to H+ and OH- ions.
Regards,
Dinesh [returning]- Chennai, Tamilnadu, India
2004
Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors :-)
Q. Background Information: I am currently working on an experimental pad for art college. I am experimenting with acid and rusted metal, I'm not too sure, it is from the inside of a boiler tank. When I pour sulfuric acid onto the rust it foams and bubbles similar to that when I pour acid onto salt. Question: Does rust contain salt? Is rust a salt?
Daryl Sleinartist - Dublin, Leinster, Ireland
2003
2003
A. Hi, Daryl. Truthfully, you'll probably find that it takes less time to look up "salt" in a chemistry book yourself to get a good understanding, than it takes to get nagging, debates, and an non-authoritative answer from the Internet :-)
But I looked it up and, although some references call metallic oxides "insoluble basic salts", I'd say that rust is not a salt: because it does not seem to match any of the definitions. But the iron is "oxidized", to a valence state of +3 rather than neutral, and the color does comes from the hydrolysis of rust into Fe+++, so there are ions readily available to react with the sulfuric acid. It acts very much like a salt from the standpoint of participating in rapid chemical reactions.
My present read is that it is not a salt because:
- it does not come from the reaction of an acid with a metal;
- it is not highly soluble, and most metal salts are;
- it is not highly conductive, and most metal salts are.
But if a chemist has a different interpretation or a more authoritative insight, I wouldn't argue and would appreciate it.
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
A. Technically I would call iron oxide a salt. It is the salt produced by the reaction iron with dihydrogen oxide (water). Water can act as either an acid or a base, depending on what it is doing -- wonderful stuff isn't it! The fact that iron oxide is rather insoluble is irrelevant - barium sulphate is very insoluble and is not at all conductive, but is still classified as the salt of the reaction between sulfuric acid and barium ions.
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK
2003
A. Just a thought, but if your experimenting with the inside of a boiler tank, are you sure that your not just neutralising calcium salts (from water hardness) these would "bubble" as you immersed it in acid.
Regards,
Richard Guise- Lowestoft, U.K.
2003
A. Since salts come from the bonding of a metal with a nonmetal wouldn't that make rust of iron (a transition metal, Fe) and oxygen, a salt?
Scott Syman- ft. worth texas
September 16, 2009
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