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What salt is formed from iron? Is rust a salt? Does it contain a salt?




Q. What salt is formed from iron?

Helen A. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
student - Manchester, UK
2004



Hi Helen. What acid are you hypothetically putting it into? That will determine what salt it is.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2004


A. For a complete list, look under iron in the inorganic section of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry & Physics [adv: on Amazon & AbeBooks & eBay affil links] . There is one in most libraries.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
2004



2004

A. Helen,

Iron is a metal that will react with lots of different acids to form their respective salts. The basic reaction for any metal is: Metal + acid = metal salt + hydrogen. So, if you react iron with hydrochloric acid, you will get iron chloride and hydrogen. Similarly with sulfuric acid; iron + sulfuric acid = iron sulphate + hydrogen. This fundamental equation is true for all metals as long as they are above hydrogen in the "electrochemical series"; if they are below hydrogen, the metal will not react with the acid. For instance, you now know what iron does, but if you try to dissolve gold in a common acid, it just sits there and doesn't do anything ... now tell us why, just to prove you have understood what has been said.

trevor crichton
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK


A. Dear Friend,

Iron forms salt even if it is not treated with any acid! Iron simply oxidizes to give Fe2O3(rust) which is also a salt?

Regards,

Dinesh [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Chennai, Tamilnadu, India
2004



2004

A. No, rust is an oxide (usually a hydrated oxide), not a salt. We need to stick to the established terminology of chemistry to avoid even more confusion than already exists in many people's minds. An oxide is not a salt.

If rust is reacted with (dissolved in) an acid, the product is an iron salt (just which iron salt depends on which acid, as noted by Ted previously). ACID + OXIDE or HYDROXIDE = SALT + WATER

Bill Reynolds
Bill Reynolds [deceased]
consultant metallurgist - Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
We sadly relate the news that Bill passed away on Jan. 29, 2010.



A. Dear sir,

Technically, I would call iron oxide a salt. It is produced by the reaction of iron with water. Water can act as either an acid or a base as it can dissociate in to H+ and OH- ions.

Regards,

Dinesh [returning]
- Chennai, Tamilnadu, India
2004




Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors :-)



Q. Background Information: I am currently working on an experimental pad for art college. I am experimenting with acid and rusted metal, I'm not too sure, it is from the inside of a boiler tank. When I pour sulfuric acid onto the rust it foams and bubbles similar to that when I pour acid onto salt. Question: Does rust contain salt? Is rust a salt?

Daryl Slein
artist - Dublin, Leinster, Ireland
2003



2003

A. Hi, Daryl. Truthfully, you'll probably find that it takes less time to look up "salt" in a chemistry book yourself to get a good understanding, than it takes to get nagging, debates, and an non-authoritative answer from the Internet :-)

But I looked it up and, although some references call metallic oxides "insoluble basic salts", I'd say that rust is not a salt: because it does not seem to match any of the definitions. But the iron is "oxidized", to a valence state of +3 rather than neutral, and the color does comes from the hydrolysis of rust into Fe+++, so there are ions readily available to react with the sulfuric acid. It acts very much like a salt from the standpoint of participating in rapid chemical reactions.

My present read is that it is not a salt because:

But if a chemist has a different interpretation or a more authoritative insight, I wouldn't argue and would appreciate it.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Technically I would call iron oxide a salt. It is the salt produced by the reaction iron with dihydrogen oxide (water). Water can act as either an acid or a base, depending on what it is doing -- wonderful stuff isn't it! The fact that iron oxide is rather insoluble is irrelevant - barium sulphate is very insoluble and is not at all conductive, but is still classified as the salt of the reaction between sulfuric acid and barium ions.

trevor crichton
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK
2003


A. Just a thought, but if your experimenting with the inside of a boiler tank, are you sure that your not just neutralising calcium salts (from water hardness) these would "bubble" as you immersed it in acid.

Regards,

Richard Guise
- Lowestoft, U.K.
2003


A. Since salts come from the bonding of a metal with a nonmetal wouldn't that make rust of iron (a transition metal, Fe) and oxygen, a salt?

Scott Syman
- ft. worth texas
September 16, 2009




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