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Cyanide-free silver plating solutions




Q. As a technologist with Rolls-Royce, I have been pursuing a cyanide free silver plating solution which can adhere to a Woods nickel strike and give adhesion equal to that of commercial cyanide based solutions. Is it commercially, and chemically , feasible to produce a silver chloride based cyanide-free plating solution utilizing Potassium Chloride as an electrolyte for "throwing power"? Copper Pyrophosphate and electroless nickel can not be used as strike solutions for adhesion for the components I am looking to plate.

Nigel D Gill, B.Sc. MIMF
Technologist - Glasgow, South Lanarkshire, Scotland
2003



2003

A. Hi
There is a bath in the USA from a proprietary maker that fits your bill.
Ask around for the name as this column won't permit names.

Regards

asif_nurie
Asif Nurie [deceased]
- New Delhi, India
With deep regret we sadly advise that Asif passed away on Jan 24, 2016



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A. There is more than one available. Technic's Cyless Silver was probably the first. I think that it still requires a cyanide silver strike for some applications. The mfgr. can certainly tell you.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
2003



Q. I have tried using Technic's Cyless silver. Unfortunately it requires a copper pyrophosphate strike which is not allowed as a strike prior to silver plating on the components I have, as they are exposed to temperatures exceeding 500 °C and copper oxidizes above 350 °C. Also Electroless nickel cannot be used as it is deemed too brittle. Silver Chloride based solutions using KCl is more like what I am looking for to achieve coating thickness of 7.62-12.7 microns.

Nigel Gill [returning]
- Blantyre, South Lanarkshire, Scotland
2003


A. One of the producers is EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] (East Berlin, Wisconsin) too (E 50/50 bath or something similar). Good luck!

And two recipes:
recipe 1: 40 gm AgCl, 200 gm potassium ferrocyanide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , 20 gm K2CO3, stainless steel anodes, 1-5A/dm2, 80 °C
recipe 2: 15-90 silver pyrophosphate K4P2O7 100-350 gm ammonium carbonate 20-145 gm 0,5-12 A/dm2, 18 °C (recipes are from USSR literature)

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia
2003



A. A silver fluoborate bath would be interesting. I don't know if one is possible, but I know that the chemical, "silver fluoborate" exists. At least, here's a data sheet on it. http://www.conncoll.edu/offices/envhealth/MSDS/chemistry/S/Silver-tetrafluoroborate.htm

You could probably make it by combining stoichiometric amounts of Silver Carbonate and Fluoboric Acid. You can make, as a precipitate, the Silver Carbonate with Silver Nitrate soln. and sodium carbonate this on eBay or Amazon] and agitation. You could even make the Nitric Acid-free Silver Nitrate that's needed by dissolving 99.99% silver in good Nitric Acid. The secret to acid-free is to add only enough acid to dissolve 90% of the silver metal present (hood). One gallon of Nitric Acid will dissolve about 100 troy ounces of Silver. Boil at the end and filter. The solution is reasonable pure Silver Nitrate. The purifying of the silver is another story.

I have used Ni, Sn, and Cu Fluoborate baths, all with great success. They are acid and bond well to most substrates, without a strike, especially if you go in live. Their deposit characteristics are excellent, also. They use soluble anodes and operate near 100% efficiency. Copper is plated from a soln. of Copper Fluoborate only. Nickel has about 4 oz/gal Boric Acid added. Tin has 3.3 oz/gal Boric Acid and 20 oz/gal free Fluoboric Acid, plus some additives. The metal contents of the 3 range from 8-10 oz/gal. The pH's range from .2 to 3.5, depending on the metal used. Temps are from room temp. to 170 F. Current densities are from 25-250 amp/sq.ft. Probably no agitation should be used.

If it were me, I'd play with this bath, in beakers [beakers on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . It might work great. It might not work at all. There may be some factor I'm not aware of.

In the late 60's, we had a customer that was using Silver DMSO baths to precision plate some critical electronic parts. I think they had a patent on the process. I think it worked great. It could be dangerous, though, since DMSO can take itself and other materials through the skin. I don't know the adhesion properties of Silver from DMSO baths.

Chris Owen
- Houston, Texas
2003


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Ed. note Sept. 2020: Unfortunately the URL Chris cited is now broken.


Q. Dear Mr Nurie,

From your knowledge of this supplier can you tell me

1. Would I be able to achieve a coating thickness of 7.62-12.7 microns?

2. Does the solution provide adhesion superior or equal to that of conventional cyanide based solutions?

The material I am plating is 12% Chromium Steel and can only have a Woods Nickel Strike and Silver strike prior to silver plating.

Nigel Gill, B.Sc. MIMF AIEMA MRSC [returning]
- Blantyre, South Lanarkshire, Scotland
2003


A. You can plate directly on SS with ferrocyanide bath (nontoxic cyanide compound)!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia
2003



Q. Goran Budija, is this Silver onto stainless steel using a ferrocyanide bath?

Ka-Ming Liu
- Toronto, Ontario, Canada
2006



Q. I am industrialist. My job is to make silver wire more shiny but using less silver. So my question is which another chemical can I use to make silver shine more.

Jariwala vinod
businessman - surat,gujarat, India
2007




Q. Hello, Mr. Gill, have you found the right silver plating?
I just need the similar plating on my product.
Need your help.
Thanks.

Star Shows
- India
October 24, 2011




Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors and repetition  🙂



Trying to get away from CN in our silver bath

January 17, 2008

Q. Hello,
I work for a company that rebuilds high powered vacuum tube, for industrial and broad casting. These tubes are plated to protect the base metal, copper, nickel, kovar, moly copper/nickel, lead or tin and other metals.
At this time we are using a CN bath for silver and copper plating baths and have for years with good results. But in the world today using Cyanide in an industrial use is getting harder and harder, with government regulations and environmental issues.
I have been reading about some of the cyanide free plating baths, but have not found any real information or resent articles.
It looks like there is a lot of interest in this process for many industries, but the info is not readily available.
I have gotten to the point where I am thinking about buying some of the more popular brand commercially made baths and do some testing. But this will be costly and I have no knowledge of these baths. I have read that lead is an issue with this process, but can not confirm this.
I would be thankful for any insight you can give me. I hope if I get some good practical info I will be able to ask the right questions and understand the answers better when I talk with the suppliers.
Also as you can probably tell I'm not a chemist, I just ended up with this responsibility.

Todd Baker
industrial employee - Sacramento, California, USA


A. Hello Todd,
I think you are headed in the right direction by ridding yourselves of Cn. Let's say you buy silver and additives from company A, have been for years. They should value your business if your usage is decent and you pay your bills on time. Do they have a cyanide free process that has been established and proven in the marketplace? If so, have the supplier give you a list of customers that use the process. Call them and ask about the quality and stability of the bath, as well as quirks. Inquire info such as base metal to be plated, type of products they plate, etc. If these inquiries are favorable, ask your current supplier if they would consider an ounce for ounce conversion to switch to the Cn free bath. Most times the supplier will provide you with the same amount of metal that is in the old bath, to make it more affordable to start the new process. You will probably have to buy the electrolyte, which is a lot less than having to buy all the silver, and wait for the refining settlement. I have seen cases where the supplier will also pick up the tab on the refining of the silver.
If the current supplier does not have a viable alternative, go to supplier B. Ask them for bath evaluation terms. They install the bath, get you kicked off, you evaluate it for 30 days. If the bath performs as expected, then you are billed for it. Because you are a new customer, supplier B may also give you an ounce for ounce conversion with a refining deal. As far as doing away of Cn Cu, there are alkaline copper baths out there that work very well. Good Luck to you.

Mark Baker
Process Engineer - Syracuse, New York
January 18, 2008



January 22, 2008

A. This is an abstract from a dissertation on Cyanides, risks and alternatives

A number of non-cyanide processes have been proposed. (for silver)
Fischer and Weimer passim (1964)15 note processes based on:-
Silver Iodide; Schlotter, Korpium and Burmeister. (1933)
Silver sulphite; Yampoulski. (1961)
Silver nitrate/ thiourea this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] ; Gockel (1934)
Silver Thiosulphate, Kodak Pathe French patent 704,663
Silver Pyrophosphate, US patent 2,504,272
Other processes are reported based on fluoboric acid, lactic acid, sulphamic acid and ferrocyanide. Fisher and Weimer (1964)15 ibid..
Although each author makes claims for a stable process offering good deposits, it is significant that there is no evidence that any of these has been successfully introduced into industry.

You also need to consider things like effluent treatment (cyanide is simple) and importantly - does it work.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England



April 4, 2008

thumbs up sign I wrote in a question a few months ago about trying to switch my cyanide silver bath and copper cyanide baths to cyanide free plating bath solutions. We plate copper, Kovar, moly, steel, Stainless steel and other metals. I 'm located in California, and the state and counties are making it very hard to do any manufacturing using any (hazardous) materials (but that is another subject).
I received some info from the forum, and did a lot of digging on my own. I have found it very hard to find any good info on this subject, and even harder to confirm any info. It has taken me about 3 months to reach a decision on this subject.
(1). There is no good replacement for good old cyanide plating. Cyanide plating works well and is easy to work with. There is a lot of info and lots of folks that know about it and its problems.
(2). Nobody makes a good cyanide free replacement plating solution. Even here in the (green) state of California I found 2 companies that use cyanide-free plating solutions, and I only found them through the bath suppliers. Both of the companies were having problems using these baths.
(3). If you ever had a problem with the baths you would be pretty much on your own to try to fix it.
If I can find anyone of you out there that thinks I am wrong in this decision Please write in and tell me why I am wrong.
I would really like to know and have someone talk about it.

Todd Baker [returning]
plating shop chem/eng - Sacramento, California, USA


April 6, 2008

A. If we can believe to one ex USSR book(Galvanotehnika blagorodnih I redkih metalov/Electroplating of precious and rare metals/Leningrad 1970), mixed ferrocyanide /sulphite based bath can be used as effective substitute for cyanide based baths (according to that book even production trials confirmed it).
40 gm silver chloride
60 gm potassium ferrocyanide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links]
25 gm sodium carbonate this on eBay or Amazon]
100-150 gm sodium sulphite
1 lit water 0.2-0,5 a/dm2
Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia


A. Afternoon there is a company in Oxnard: Zinex

bill crawford
- Temple Texas
April 9, 2008


A. Todd,
If you want to rid your company of cyanide, it will take some work and dealing with the right people. I was privileged to install a cyanide free silver in 1993 for a company in New York. It was used for barrel plating. The customer used it for years. Was it as trouble free as the cyanide process? No. They had to watch the process a little closer. The customer did have less trouble and headaches with local environmental authorities however. The customer was also commended for the efforts they took to make the change.
Call a reputable precious metal supplier such as Technic, Inc. You will want a supplier behind you that has experience and know-how. Good luck in your efforts!

Mark Baker
Process Engineer - Syracuse, New York
April 20, 2008



Q. Dear Sir/Madam
Nowadays effluent treatment cost of cyanide is costly & in next few years POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD IS PLANNING TO STOP USE OF CYANIDE FOR PLATING.
CAN WE DO SILVER PLATING FOR ELECTRICAL PARTS & ENGG COMPONENTS WITHOUT USING POTASSIUM CYANIDE BASE BATH,
Thanks with regards,

PRASAD PATWARDHAN
Regular visitor to your site. - AHAMADNAGAR, MAHARASHTRA, India
April 18, 2008


A. Hi Prasad,

There are at least three suppliers who offer cyanide-free silver that we know of: EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser], Technic, and Zinex. My own understanding is that the color of cyanide-free silver is considered a little "off" for decorative use, but fine for electronic use. Talk to somebody and get started; good luck.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
April 27, 2008




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