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How to remove plastic film & adhesive from stainless steel, brass
Quickstart:
There are different adhesives & situations, but the most successes were reported with hot/boiling water [jump to 1st posting on this] or ammonia [jump to 1st posting on this]. Other non-brand name successes included acetone [jump to 1st posting on this], and heat gun [jump to 1st posting on this] plus a scraper. Many specific name brand products were suggested as well.
Q. Our company manufactures and installs sheet-metal systems for enclosing piping, wiring, etc. in commercial construction. We are presently working with a stainless-steel material that comes from the metal suppler covered with a protective plastic film. This film is removed at the job site after installation. The film is sometimes extremely difficult to remove, often leaving a heavy adhesive residue on the metal. We have tried to remove this residue using MEK, lacquer thinner, xylol_xylene and toluene products, and even gasoline and WD-40. None of these solvents have any significant effect on the adhesive residue. What do we need to remove this residue?
Thanks.
Tech Rep. - San Bruno, California
2003
Ed. note: Several people have recommended that readers proceed immediately to Terry Smith's posting as the simplest solution, and it sounds like something you haven't tried yet.
A. I use "Unseal adhesive releasing solvent". Works great but is very expensive. Active ingredient is Heptane. It is manufactured by Hunt Corporation in Statesville, NC. You can get small container (32 Fl.Oz) from your local picture frame molding supplier. Catalog # 470. I hope it will work for you.
Danny T [surname deleted due to age of posting]Art, framing - Hayward, California
2003
Ed. note: Readers are welcome to look for this product, but we believe the manufacturer's name has changed, and the product name has been changed to "Unstik". It is a hazardous product labeled "For industrial use only", and cannot be shipped except by private truck. We dis-recommend it, and suggest you skip this one.
A. Recently discovered a citrus solution that works wonders: De-solv-it ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] made by Orange-sol.

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specialty stainless steel distributor - Dallas, Texas
2003
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A. Bill, ![]() Freeman Newton [dec.] R.I.P. old friend (It is our sad duty to advise that Freeman passed away 4/21/12) 2003 A. I have had to remove the plastic film from stainless steel on many occasions over the years so was surprised/happy/delirious when I came across this site suggesting that ammonia would remove the film. Wow, I thought, is this what I have been missing! So I tried it, but alas, it wasn't to be. Actually, I probably would have been pissed thinking about all of the work I could have avoided. - Seattle, Washington August 28, 2009 Ed. note: Tim uses the phrase 'water based', and indeed the stripper can be rinsed with water, but don't infer from this that the material is 'safe'; please check the SDS. A. I have tried for a number of days to come up with a method of removing some of the black and white LDPE film from some carts that were built a few years ago and stored in a location where they saw sunlight. As with most people I tried every solvent I could think of. Then I did some searching and found that Xylene ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] at elevated temperatures would penetrate the LDPE. What I found to work was to use a heat gun and warm the metal. Then I soaked a towel in Xylene and placed it on top of plastic and let it sit. After 10-20 min, the plastic coating peeled off as if it were new. Nice and easy leaving no residue. I did get it a little too hot in a few places and melted the plastic fairly severely. But what I found was that by laying the towel over the area second time for a few minutes, the residue wiped right off. Peter Novacek- Menomone Falls, Wisconsin October 29, 2009 A. I can absolutely second the approach taken by Timothy Hicks (described above). - Atherton, California, USA April 29, 2010 A. I figured it out! I just had to remove the film from four elevator doors on a mega million dollar high-rise. It had been left on for four years. The condition was similar to gold flake film with a tar adhesive adhering it to the stainless. It was not fun at the beginning, but I learned the trick to doing it. - Huntington Beach, California, USA October 4, 2011 A. I work at a industrial manufacturing facility that specializes in stainless, and we've had similar problems. Our best solution for getting the blue plastic off is to heat it with a hair dryer style heat gun ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , then wipe the goo left behind with acetone ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] Warning! highly Flammable! . Peter Brazil- Port Townsend, Washington, USA August 15, 2013 Ed. note-- Readers: please be aware that acetone is extremely flammable! Don't be misled by previous experience with a nail polish remover with a lot of water mixed in with the acetone! A. Morning, I have a metal roof that the blue protective tape has been baked on. Some will peel off a little. What seems to work the best is a propane torch just enough to melt the tape & adhesive then wipe with a cloth. Just keep moving along & rotate the cloth to a clean area. Caution the tape will be very hot and can stick to and burn your skin. It's time consuming but works! - Crescent City, Florida, USA September 5, 2018 A. I am building my home myself and I installed a stainless steel range hood a couple of years ago and made the mistake of leaving the protective covering on until I was done with the kitchen. The hood had a heavy white plastic covering which I was able to pull off with some effort. The glue that was left behind came off easily with the citrus cleaner Goo Gone
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- Paamul, Q. Roo, Mexico 2006 Plastic film on Vermont Castings B-B-Q Grill
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- Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 2006 Q. I have the same Vermont Casting Grill from Home Depot with the plastic baked on. I tried the ammonia, but did not see the plastic dissolve. I have a feeling that I am not applying it properly. Can someone please let me know how they used the ammonia on their grill. - Sammamish, Washington 2007 A. Hi Dov. Keep reading and Alison MacKenzie's posting explains how she applied the ammonia. Good luck. Regards, ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. RET Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey A. Bought a new/used stainless steel outdoor refrigerator. Prior owner let the blue plastic film shrink-wrap and melt to the door. Tried everything to remove it. Then found this column. I soaked a washcloth with lemon ammonia and let it set on the door (set horizontal) for 15 minutes. Then used a plastic scraper to scrape away the softened film. Worked great and did not hurt the brushed stainless finish. Thanks! Alison MacKenzie- Poway, California November 22, 2008 ! I didn't get the hoped for melt-away on my Vermont Castings barbecue. After about 40 minutes of soaking via ammonia covered paper towels, however, it was easier to scrape off. I then used non-acetone nail polish to get the glue residue off (didn't have Acetone type). Still have plastic on back side of the hood around small vent holes and don't plan on making myself nuts getting it off. Thanks for all the suggestions, I suspect a lot depends on how long it's been stuck on. Jan C. [surname deleted due to aging of posting]- El Paso, Texas February 7, 2009 ! Read this post, found some household ammonia, used it on the blue plastic on the doors to my new BBQ. The blue stuff just peeled right off. It doesn't just dissolve away. It seems to just loosen the plastic from the steel so that it can be peeled away easier. Start at a corner of the blue, apply a bit of ammonia with a rag and then start peeling. My brother-in-law (who knows everything) stumped. I said I would go check on the net and voila - there was the solution. Thanks all. Pat K. [surname deleted due to aging of posting]- Edmonton, Alberta, Canada August 26, 2010 ! Wow, I couldn't believe it! Was kind of depressed when we opened our dishwasher box, it had been in storage for a year and when we finally got around to installing it I couldn't get all of the wrap (blue) off of it. The wrapper came off but left a residue and smears on the face of the stainless steel door. It looked horrifying. Tried the ammonia and within seconds it was gone. Thanks so much for this suggestion, as I would have had to look at that ugly stain forever as elbow grease just was not taking it off. Carolyn Burke- Kingston, Ontario, Canada November 18, 2011
- Cedar Valley, St. Johns, Antigua December 29, 2012 A. I recently purchased a dishwasher with a stainless steel finish that came wrapped in blue plastic. The plastic came off easily but the imprint of it (14 inches wide) could still be seen on the finish. It wasn't sticky but wouldn't come off with stainless steel cleaner, nail polish remover, or vinegar. However, undiluted household ammonia and some elbow grease removed it completely and left a beautiful finish. Thank you to everyone who suggested ammonia as I would not have thought to try it and it worked! L. Wehrmann- Richmond, Virginia USA February 20, 2014
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Q. I'm a mason contractor at the NJ shore that built an outdoor stone kitchen area. The homeowners bought and installed small Delfield Refrigerator and freezers that were installed around the stone. Being summer residents, they reminded me to remove the protective plastic coating from the doors as they were not present at the site. Unfortunately I got busy and after a couple of months the sun got to the doors before I could. I was able to peel some of the plastic off, however most has embedded itself where without using solvents it's a millimeter by fingernail process. I haven't tried any solvents except a quick dab with ammonia which did nothing. I'm a bit hesitant to use Goo Gone or Goof Off as a last resort as I'm afraid that I may wipe any protective coating which will induce rust. I need help in direction or products, solvents, heat gun, anything that may work. Marshall G [surname deleted due to aging of posting]Owner - Long Branch, New Jersey 2007 Plastic film on roofing sheetsQ. Hi fellow sufferers of the accursed plastic cling foil to metal surfaces. - Penrith, NSW, Australia April 16, 2008 Q. I have a painted metal roof where the plastic protective coating has fused to the metal panels. We left the protective coating on thinking we were protecting the roof from contractors who were working on it but didn't realize the work was going to take this long so we left it on too long and now it is almost impossible to remove. The areas that were exposed to the sun are the worst. I have tried warm water, heat gun, ammonia, Goof Off, Goo Gone with no luck. These products will remove the residue where I can remove the plastic -- but for the most part I am stuck with the plastic not being able to be removed. Nick D [surname deleted due to aging of posting]- Ridgewood, New Jersey, USA May 22, 2012
Q. Please tell me what happens if the plastic cover on the top surface is not removed while installing the sheets on the roof? Manu N Hegde- Mysore, Karnataka, India May 28, 2014 ? Hi Manu. Are you referring to a plastic protective film? It's hard to predict consequences ("For want of a nail, the shoe was lost ... "), but perhaps it may create pockets of rainwater that become stagnant and smelly, or accelerate the corrosion. The film is supposed to be removed. And if you don't do it now, Ken warns that it will only get harder :-( Good luck. ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey Q. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOAF OF BREAD WAS ACCIDENTALLY LEFT ON THE TOP OF OUR STAINLESS STEEL CONVECTION TOASTER OVEN WHILE IT WAS BAKING AT ABOUT 400°F. THE COLOR OF THE BREAD WRAPPER ACTUALLY SEEMS TO BE EMBEDDED IN THE STAINLESS STEEL. I HAVE NOT ATTEMPTED TO CLEAN THIS. SHOULD I USE AMMONIA? OR ANOTHER PRODUCT? SHARI GUNDY- ST. PAUL, Minnesota May 28, 2008 Q. I guess I used the stove before taking the blue protective cover off the face of the door, so after a painful time removing it I find a glue cloud mark on the front but I cannot seem to remove it with paint thinner or soap and water. Dean Waltr- Toronto, Ontario, Canada June 5, 2008 ! Same problem but in my case, I'm a trucker with 6 stainless steel under-storage compartments. I've tried just about everything mentioned above. We truckers like things shiny so I am getting a little p-o'ed with this. Today, I bought a angle grinder ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , a Crossive 6" disc, a hand held buffer as well as buffing compound. I intend to grind this stuff off and mar this finish up then use the compound then buff it out with metal polish. I'll let ya know how it works! Christopher Bennett- Minneapolis, Minnesota June 8, 2008 Q. I recently purchased a name brand refrigerator that came with the standard, protective shipping film, that when removed, left an almost invisible residue. You can see it best when you look at the fridge from an angle. The manufacturer says to use soapy water and a sponge...tried that. Didn't work. hobbyist - phoenix, Arizona May 6, 2009 A. Easy. Use a blowtorch, melt the plastic and wipe off with a cloth. Slow but effective. Johan Sunpay- Pretoria, South Africa May 23, 2009 Ed. note: Just a reminder that there are different situations :-) There may be certain individual items where a torch is applicable, but certainly not on a new refrigerator :-) Q. We have metal garage doors where the previous owner/builder failed to remove the plastic protective film and it has now sun-baked onto the surface. I have tried a number of solvent based product with no success. I have even tried pressure washing at about 2500 psi 40 degree spread. t took the loose bits off but the majority remains firmly adhered to the painted metal surface. Should I consider just painting over it? Ken Ines- Vancouver BC Canada June 30, 2009 A. Yes, I'd say it's unfortunately sounds like it's on for good. Maybe just leave it on and paint with Krylon Fusion for Plastic
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paint? ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey Q. Would Shellac, Kilz, or Zinsser Cover Stain work in a situation where the plastic coating has baked on to a primed metal door over a 10 year period of time? Which would be the best option. - Abbotsford, B.C. Canada August 18, 2009 Ed. note: If you've given up on removing the plastic, we think a paint specifically made for good adhesion on plastic like Krylon Fusion for Plastic ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] is the best bet. A. As a vendor of temporary surface protection films, I may be able provide some insights on this topic. Said insights may or may not be of any assistance, depending upon your particular "how-do-I-remove-this-*#^&*%*^-stuff?!" situation. - Rockwall, Texas September 9, 2009 Q. Hey Everyone, home owner - Oakville, Ontario, Canada September 23, 2009 A. Hi Chris, Film on brass kickplateQ. Can I try all these same methods on a brass kick plate that the film has been left on for many years, or would some of these products damage the brass finish? MARCIA OLSON- Auburn, Washington October 1, 2009 Q. I am writing to try to help my husband who is a contractor and is having a hell of a time trying to clean new polished brass door kick plates for one of his customers. When he was ready to install the kick plates, he peeled off a protective film from the brass. When he did this, the brand new plates looked discolored and it seems as if some of the protective coating was left on the brass. We cannot get the residue off and we are concerned about ruining the polished brass surface with cleaners. If someone has suggestions, we would really appreciate it and so would his customer. Sarah PolselliContractor - San Diego, California, USA October 27, 2010 A. NO AMMONIA ON BRASS - Lexington, Ohio, USA A. Hi, Sarah. Brass tarnishes quickly, so there is no way it stays polished unless it is protected with a lacquer or other clearcoat. So this is trickier than some of the other problems. Try lacquer thinner
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. ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey Q. How can I remove plastic type cover from stainless steel door panels? It had dried out and stuck like paint over the time.I appreciate any suggestions.Thank you all. Jorge G. Jorge Gallegoelevator tech. - New York City, New York April 6, 2010 A. My daughter had a product that removed Artificial Nails by dissolving the glue . - Northampton, England April 11, 2010 PRESSURE WASHER
Q. Hi! I have the same problem as many of you do. I bought a used kayak Aluminum pool that had plastic coating on it. It was stored in the heat and I cannot remove the plastic film. I have tried solvents with no luck. Can someone please help me. Will heat ruin the aluminum? Thanks for any help.. Susie Dicerbohomeowner - Harrison Township, Michigan, USA April 26, 2011 A. You might try a gas fired catalytic heater ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . They do not give the intensive heat of heat guns. Their face temperatures can be adjusted from 350 °F to 900 °F. The heat is medium rays infrared. Dave Howie- Edmonton Alberta Canada May 9, 2011 BOILING WATER / STEAM
Q. How would you get rid of the adhesive on the back of a combination lock? - St. Catherines, Ontario, Canada August 9, 2011 Q. When our stainless refrigerator was delivered it had a protective blue plastic covering on to prevent scratching. We were in the process of renovating and left the plastic on for several months and now have marks that won't come off with stainless steel appliance cleaner. Please let me know what to use to get these marks off? Debra BrownPurchaser - Seven Valleys, Pennsylvania October 10, 2011 Q. We had some plastic auto body painters sheeting that got stuck to a surface that wasn't quite cured. Is there any solvent that would melt that sheeting without damaging the paint too much? Or does anyone know what kind of plastic that sheeting is? Jeff ReimerIndustrial painter - Alberta, Canada December 1, 2011
I don't think there is a chance in a million of removing that sheeting without ruining the paint (in fact the paint may already be ruined, pushed down or pulled up). But I am not a painter and would certainly love to hear that I was wrong. The plastic is probably a polyolefin or vinyl, very chemically resistant anyway. Regards, ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
![]() Joanne Chase - Port Alberni, B.C., Canada July 8, 2012 A. I bought a stainless steel dual-fuel range for my wife for about half the price of a new model. Someone had purchased it years earlier and never peeled off the protective plastic and never installed it. I was really frustrated trying to remove the plastic bit by bit scraping with my fingernail, until I discovered a great method. - Lock Haven, Pennsylvania December 25, 2012 A. I had similar problem (protective plastic film "welded" to s stainless steel gas patio heater), but none of the solutions here worked. The plastic film was completely impermeable to the solvents I tried. Damn. - Windaroo, Queensland, Australia May 4, 2012 Ed. note: Dichloromethane, maybe better known in the U.S. as methylene chloride, is a truly toxic paint stripper. If you find and use it, make sure you are wearing rubber gloves ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and goggles ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] ; you should also wear an activated carbon respirator ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and work outdoors from upwind. The above link is broken. Thankfully, the Internet Archive preserved a copy here ![]() These days information often appears on the internet, then disappears forever. If that is a concern to you please consider a donation to The Internet Archive.
- Berkeley, California 2009 Q. How can I remove melted rubber (gloves) off of an appliance. Patricia McGowanhouse wife - Odenton, Maryland, US January 16, 2013 A. Hi Patricia. What kind of appliance and what finish? Paint, porcelain, stainless steel, aluminum, ceramic, glass? It may be impractical or impossible, but you might take a look at topic 14006 "Melted Rainsuit on Motorcycle Exhaust Pipes" and see if you think it might help. ![]() Ted Mooney, P.E. Striving to live Aloha finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey ![]() A. Short answer = Product name in Australia LIQUID 8 (paint stripper gel) Long answer... - Western Australia, Australia February 11, 2013 A. 5 words: Jasco Paint and Epoxy Remover
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- aurora, Colorado February 23, 2013 A. I'd like to take time to respond about white PVC plastic protective covering on stainless steel. When we get equipment that PVC covering has not been removed in years, take it outside, hook your garden hose to hot water, adjust your nozzle to jet. Now wear rubber gloves with cotton gloves under the rubber gloves. Maybe you need to wear a rain suit -- you will get wet. Remember this water is hot; wear goggles. Start spraying one spot for a few seconds until it loosens up. food equipment - Runnemede, New Jersey April 15, 2013 Q. I am a superintendent at my construction company and have "built out" three floors of an occupied building. Upon entering the final cleaning phase, I noticed that the white and black protective film on the stainless steel elevator doors was never removed since original construction some 5 years ago. I can't seem to get it off and need to be able to use a low V.O.C. agent due to the existing occupancy. HELP! Victor Terwilligerconstruction - Norfolk, Virginia June 17, 2013 A. DENATURED ALCOHOL - golden valley Arizona July 7, 2014 A. I removed the glue residue from my stainless steel fridge with Brasso ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] . It took it right off and I tried about everything. Brian roche- Villa rica Georgia USA July 28, 2014 A. I purchased a used stainless steel BBQ and discovered that on the back of it, the previous owner didn't bother removing the plastic cover which of course was now baked on. It took 3 days of about 2 hours per day and most of it is now gone. What I did was the following: - Los Angeles, California December 12, 2014 ![]() A. The best method to use is a torch, assuming there's no material adjacent or under the stainless steel that will be harmed by the heat. Restaurateur and tradesman - Lancaster, California Remove sun-baked vinyl packaging from garage doorQ. I left the cellophane plastic on garage door (vinyl) allowed it to be baked in sun ... now difficult to remove. Need guidance as to any solutions or technique. Len zap- indio California usa May 25, 2014 Q. I recently bought a car that has a film over the plastic lens cover of the headlight. private indiv. - palm springs, calif, USA December 26, 2014 Q. I built my own house. It took three years and at the end of the first year I had installed my patio doors. Two years later, I've found that the plastic film covering the glass on the doors had baked on. Scraping doesn't budge it. I'm very reluctant to use a heat gun or boiling water as the glass might crack. any ideas? Victor Damski- Lowestoft Suffolk UK February 24, 2015 A. Hi, - Moscow, Russia July 28, 2015 Q. I never removed the protective film off my outdoor french doors. they baked in the sun and I removed the plastic but the residue has remained and I tried to remove it with goop removal a very little came off only after rubbing it for a very long time. Is there anything else I can do to remove this sticky residue? Thanks Phil spadafora- dix hills New York August 16, 2015 Q. We remodeled our home and had a SS Viking range and hood installed. The contractor did not take the plastic white film off from the underside or sides of the hood. We are slowly peeling it off but now that the hood has already been installed it's a nightmare! The boiling water idea sounds great but there's no way to pour boiling water onto something you're trying to clean upside down. We have to be in the most contorted positions just to work at it a little. To compound the problem the film seems to go underneath the edges of the trim and light sockets so even when we get the film off to that point, it won't budge. We're worried about using acetone etc. since it's above where we cook and difficult to see where we're applying it and then cleaning it off. Any thoughts about removing this stuff after the SS piece has already been installed? Annie Wilkinson- Layton, Utah, U.S.A. September 12, 2015 A. So you've finally peeled the old film off of your stainless appliance, only to find an immovable film of glue left behind. - Calgary, AB, Canada October 17, 2016 A. We just had success removing some of that stuck on thin blue plastic wrap from a new range that had been delivered months ago but just was installed last week. It had been stored in an untested porch 15 below zero. Most of the plastic peeled off in sheets ok , although very slowly, but some was really stuck on. We tried Simple Green, which was recommended by the installer (it didn't work) and acetone (nail polish remover, didn't work either). I was on my way to the hardware store to buy some ammonia and whatever else looked interesting (per this blog) when my wife called from home to say she had removed all the plastic with a hot hair dryer and a scrub sponge. I had mentioned before I left to the store, that someone had successfully used a heat gun. Well didn't have one of those but she used what we had. Short story made long. Try a Hair dryer. Patrick Murphy- Enosburg Falls, Vermont, USA April 9, 2017 A. As for removing the glue after removing the sheeting, use mineral spirits ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] or Zep stainless steel polish ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] ; it also makes it shine Ricky Gee- mt. sterling, kentucky August 30, 2017 A. I had purchased an aluminum fender for a car trailer with old sun beaten blue plastic film that came off in small fragments. After reading this site I SOLVED the problem: I used paint remover gel ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , let it sit for ten minutes, and scrubbed it off with a soft bristle brush. Worked like magic. Doug jones- Milwaukee Wisconsin June 7, 2018 A. Peanut butter more specifically the oil that floats on top of natural peanut butter will remove all adhesives naturally and cheap! Belinda Lovins- Thornton Colorado July 25, 2018 Q. I have an outdoor grill that has been in Texas heat for few years with "laser film" white covering. I tried applying ammonia, nail polish remover and scrapping it, but no luck getting it out.
- Southlake, Texas, USA May 5, 2020 A. Blue film on dishwasher would not come off with heat gun. I had a can of "penetrating catalyst" ⇦ this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , used to remove rusted bolts) and it worked beautifully. Spray on and let sit. Spray again. wait. Peel from edge.
- Dallas, Texas, USA May 25, 2020 Q. How to old remove ACP plastic protection film from fibre sheet door? - Delhi new delhi October 16, 2022 Ed. note: Can you tell us what ACP means in this context please? A. Best way, fast and cheap is plain old gasoline. It dissolves PVC in a matter of minutes. Works on old stainless steel that was exposed to conditions. Vlad ProdanLaser operator - Cluj-Napocs, Romania October 4, 2023 Ed. note: Obviously, gasoline is dangerous so don't even think about bringing it into a house. If you're still not weary, thread 30965 offers yet more ideas :-)
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