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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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Does "X-it Precoat" meet AMS2473G




Used a search engine and found this site. Our customer, USAF, has voiced their concern about using Alodine. We have been led to believe a product called X-it Precoat would/could be used to replace Alodine. Our tech data dictates we must adhere to standard AMS2473 G. Now my question. Does X-it Precoat meet or exceed this requirement? Can Someone help in directing me to a site where I can get the tech data on this product?

Thanks,

Fred McMillan
- Randolph AFB, Texas
2003


A. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of AMS2473 G to walk you through the issue, but for MIL-C-5541 chromate conversion coating you had to use a product that was on the qualified products list QPL-81706 [on DLA]; I would expect that AMS2473 G might also make reference to a qualified products list. If that is the case, the question becomes not whether some proprietary product "meets or exceeds" the requirement, but whether in fact it is listed on the QPL or it isn't.

Please note that Alodine is a trade name for a whole line of processes, not a specification for a particular process; so while there may have been concern expressed about a particular Alodine process because it, for example, contained hexavalent chromium, it is very unlikely that the USAF was discouraging the use of all products from probably the world's largest conversion chemistry provider.

For a very extensive analysis of the issue, including detailed information about X-it Precoat, Alodine, and several other products, please download the report "Non-chromate Aluminum Pretreatments" from the Joint Group on Pollution Prevention. But again please note that a favorable review in a report like this does not necessarily mean that a product described there can be used in lieu of a specified finish.

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Update, April 2007. Things have changed. Rev. F of MIL-C-5541 now permits qualified hexavalent-free chromates. The TCP (trivalent conversion products) process has been licensed from the navy by four suppliers and I would expect that their products are now on the QPL or very soon will be: Henkel, Luster-On, Metalast and Surtec.

Update, September 2013. The jgpp.com domain no longer leads to the Joint Group on Pollution Control but to a French home construction blog. The report can be purchased for $30 from chromate.ncms.org/repform.htm.

Update, November 2022: the chromate.ncms.org site no longer loads. Presently the "Non-Chromate Aluminum Pretreatments" report can be downloaded from https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA582070.pdf


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