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What are the five metals of panchalogam

Quickstart:
     Panchalogam is a bronze alloy consisting of the 5 metals gold, silver, copper, iron and lead, and has been around since the beginning of the bronze age -- perhaps 3000 BC.
     But what often happens with words, especially rarely used ones, is that slang meanings build up around them, such that, to some readers, panchalogam is not so much a recipe for bronze, as a word with cultural, religious, and mystical associations that have become more important to them than the alloy composition.
     Sometimes the more mystical meanings start getting intertwined with scams, which is obviously something to be wary of.



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Q. Why is Panchlok statue made of 51 grams of each metal?

Shona Singh
- Toronto canada
April 3, 2021

Ed. note: We don't know enough about this subject to presume to edit it, but we believe that readers may be able to follow and research this topic easier with the term "panchaloha" than "panchlok".







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Q. Dear Reader, sir I'd really like to know what is panchalogam. Some people say it is mixture of five metals. Okay, what are the five metals? What is the proportion to be mixed. Please tell me also the history of panchalogam. Please answer my doubt. Thank you.

K. Manivannan
- Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India
2003


Q. What are the five metals of panchalogam?

Sankar Murugan
interest about metal - Tirunelveli, Tamilnadu, India



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A. Panchalogam is a bronze alloy of 5 metals used since ancient times in India for Hindu and other statuary items. I don't have the composition, but am sure that the following reference does. My guess: copper, tin, zinc, lead and? (maybe silver).

"Indexing of antique bronzes for future identification" by P. Chandra Sekharan, Tamil Nadu Forensic Science Laboratory, 30-A, Kamarajar Salai, Mylapore, Madras-600 004, India, in TrAC Trends in Analytical Chemistry, Vol. 6, Issue 8, September 1987, Pages IV-VI, © 1987 Elsevier Science B.V. "India, and in particular the state of Tamil Nadu, has an outstanding collection of antique idols made of..." A download is available for about $30 at www.sciencedirect.com

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A. The term is part of the Hindu religion. I found many references to it on the web, but every reference just says "an alloy of five metals". Couldn't find out whether it's a generic term that applies to any alloy that happens to be of 5 metals irrespective of what they are, or whether it refers to 5 specific metals. Any readers sufficiently clued up on Hinduism to help?

Bill Reynolds
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A. Panchalogam - Pancha - Five; logam - metal. This becomes a generic term when five metals are mixed together (but specifically Cu, Sn, Pb, Ag, Zn were mostly used in specific proportions).

panchalogam Idols are widely found in Tamilnadu, a southern state of India. Historically, most of the idols in ancient temples were made of panchalogam. I am not sure why they used it and I don't know whether it possesses any specific properties, but statues and idols of god were made out of this alloy ... and sometimes the utensils used during worship.

Tamilnadu happened to be the place because of the concentration of temples over there due to some reason. Taminadu has been the place where you can find as many temples as possible, and ancient too. I have heard that the workability with panchalogam for making idols are good and most of the panchalogam idols are still found buried under earth. They surface when someone digs up for foundations (those idols which slip Government notice are smuggled all over the world, especially to western countries and have very high value in the black market). They are very ancient but still intact.

There are other things used for making idols of god, like they call it: Navabashanom meaning: nava - nine; bashanom - poison -- made out of nine poisons. But when mixed together they become a very good medicine, and no one knows the composition now. It is said that the sages (the sages were called "Siddhars") made this from poisonous herbs and no one can replicate the things now written in those books as it is very hard to interpret the language used and it is also written in such a tricky manner that it was very hard to decode. Many of the books (written on palm leaf) by the Siddhars were stolen or missing and it's now hard to find these stuffs in Tamilnadu too. There are still some specialized workers on panchalogam, and it follows family tradition and is kept as a secret within the family. But for specific details complete research can be done on this subject, and there are research materials available in the universities of Tamilnadu about this subject.

Good luck on your search for panchalogam.

Karthik Thambidurai
electronic components - Norwood, Massachusetts

Ed. note: Terrific exposition, Karhik! Thanks :-)


A. The five metals are: gold, silver, bronze, copper and iron. I would know because I am a Hindu priest.

P May
- Toronto, Ontario, Canada
March 1, 2012


thumbsdown Bronze is not a part of panchalogam. Bronze itself is an alloy of copper and tin. Only base metals are there in panchlogam. They are gold, silver, copper, iron and lead.

Sadasivan Pillai
Private - Mumbai, India


A. The five metals are gold, silver, copper, lead, zinc also.

K. Uvaraj
- Chennai, Tamilnadu, India


A. Only base metals are used. Gold, Silver, Copper, Lead or Zinc & Iron. My experience: Iron does not alloy with the above metals, so Rivet an iron piece to the Ornament. Thank You. Anbe Sivam.

Thatshana Murthi
jewelers - Ipoh. Perak. Malaysia
June 6, 2014




Q. Well, everyone knows that panchalogam is an alloy of 5 metals.
But does it constitute Gold?
Some say yes, some say No.
Can anyone of you confirm if panchalogam constitutes Gold or not?

Sangeetha G
Archaeologist - Chennai, TamilNadu, India
February 9, 2011


[identical question copied and pasted by]

Karigalan sellaiyah
- malaysia, petaling jaya, malaysia


A. No, of course not, cousins. Gold atoms have 79 protons. No other atoms do.

Regards,

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A. Gold, Silver, Copper, Zinc and Iron are the normal constituent of "five metal" or panchaloha statues.

Kumaran Nagasundaram
- Chennai, India
December 9, 2017




Q. May I know how to test the Aimpon to find out it is real Aimpon or fake?

Vanitha Kumaravalen
- Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
May 8, 2019


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A. Hi Vanitha. Words become slang, commonplace, and corrupted, and I see all sorts of jewelry called 'Aimpon'. Aimpon obviously means one thing to jewelry manufacturers who sell them in mass, and quite another thing to you. So, can you clarify for us exactly what 'Aimpon' means to you -- what constitutes a real Aimpon please? Is being made of the right five metals sufficient, or must it have been constructed during a given time period, or by specific people, or what?

silly :-) One way to tell a real Aimpon from a fake one is with the use of an Aimpon tester. But you need to make sure it's a real Aimpon tester not a fake Aimpon tester! To determine if the the Aimpon tester is a real one, not a fake one, you need an "Aimpon-tester" tester, but some of these are fakes as well. Please don't listen to scammers about "testing" :-)

Regards,

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Q. Hi Mr. Ted Mooney,
Actually I am purchasing a material and they charged it expensive by mentioning it is Aimpon. That's the reason I want to know how to test the Aimpon, naturally. Some said you can detect by the weight but I am not very sure on that weight. Some said the temple priest might know very well as many statues in temple made from Aimpon. And there are also ideas can test using magnet to know it is made of metal.

vanitha kumaravalen [returning]
- kuala lumpur malaysia


A. Thanks, Vanitha. But my problem remains that I don't understand what you would mean by 'genuine'. What is the nature of 'genuine'? Magic powers, the same composition as ancient times, cast 500 or more years ago, blessed by some god or goddess, cast by a priest of a certain type, or what? Until you tell us what a 'genuine' Aimpon means to you, I don't see how we can propose any test of genuineness.

Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
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A. Unless I'm missing something, this is just a question of metallurgical analysis buried under a bunch of slang. X-ray fluorescence is one of the more common methods. It's not something you can just do at home though, it requires expensive equipment ⇨

A lot of scams rely on throwing a bunch of fake jargon at the potential victim so that he has no way to double check that the allegedly valuable item is in fact valuable.

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A. Aimpon or Panchaloha statues/idols/Temple bells in TN are made out of an alloy of Copper (Cu), Iron (Fe), Zinc (Zn), Gold (Au) and Silver (Ag), and traces of tin (Sn) and lead (Pb).

It is also known as to (Lump of Metal Composition)

Maazhai also means Beauty, Youthfulness, Gold, Lump of Metal, etc.

Aimpon statues found in Tamil Nadu consists of (approx.) 85% of Copper (Cu), 10% of Tin (Sn), and 5% of Lead (Pb) and Iron (Fe), and few traces of Arsenic (Ar), Zinc (Zn), Gold (Au) and Silver (Ag) .

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Most of the Aimpon idols in TN were done during the Chola period, at first a statue print will be done using wax or clay and 3 alloys will be poured in to it at first and during that time the King or his representatives will visit the place and drop his gold and silver jewelry (after praying to god) into that molten alloy.

Aimpon Statues are said to bring youthfulness and prosperity in people, as it is one of the medicinal quality of Copper that is majorly used in it. Some believe that jewelry made out of this alloy will bring Good fortune, confidence and peace of mind.

A Mohan
- Chennai, India

Ed. note: Thanks, A Mohan.


"Metallurgical Reports on British and Irish Bronze Age Implements and Weapons in the Pitt Rivers Museum"
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A. The alloy composition given is typical of any bronze age artifact. The modern alloy is 90/10 copper/tin. The lead, iron, etc., are probably introduced from the copper ore as are the trace metals silver, arsenic, etc., and would be expected to vary somewhat from different smelters.
It is highly unlikely that at the time of the Chola dynasty (907 and 1215 AD) any of these were added deliberately or could be controlled. That leaves only gold, added at the discretion of the king (and possibly apocryphal).

Ref: Metallurgical Reports .. . Bronze age implements in the Pitt Rivers Museum, Allen et al. Published by Blackwood 1970 and similar archeological texts.

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Q. May I know what is the percentage of panchalogam used to make Lada?

Narsimha rao
- Mahabubnagar, Telangana, India
September 29, 2019


? Hi Narsimha. I've been unsuccessful in googling "Lada". Would you please introduce yourself & your situation so we knpw what you're talking about? Thanks!

Regards,

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