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Aging / Heat treat of copper
Q. We are currently building from scratch a reproduction of the Allison powered P-51A Mustang from the original prints. The prints called for type N copper (no one was ever able to tell me what type N copper was) or equivalent replacement radiator tubes. (approx. 4000 per radiator) I had 40,000 tubes made from c12000 light annealed 12 inches long X .230 OD X .006 wall and am now working on the tool to swage the end and center into a .260 hex and all is going well. The question is that I fear that the tubes may be too soft when compared with a few originals I have from Mustang oil coolers. What is the aging process, if any, and what might I expect as an outcome?
Thanks,
Gerald Beckaviation - Wahpeton, North Dakota
2003
First, regarding Type N copper: Judging from the current classes, Type K (high-pressure), Type L (medium pressure) and Type M (low pressure), possibly Type N was the next lower pressure class. Since the wall thickness decrease in order of contained pressure, I estimate a wall thickness of 0.015 inch for your tube diameter. For tubing sizes, see https://www.copper.org/tubehdbk/tables/homepage.htm For a more definitive answer, contact the Copper Development Association by email: questions@cda.copper.org [There is a BS 1306:1975 specification for an N copper tubing, but with much greater wall thickness, suitable for pipe threads.]
Second, regarding heat treatment: Alloy C12000 is 99.90% Cu (includes Ag), with 0.008%P. It cannot be strengthened by heat treatment; it can be only be annealed at 700-1200 °F or 375-650 °C to remove any work hardening effects.
What are the original tubing dimensions, and do you know the operating pressure and temperature of the oil cooler?
- Goleta, California

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