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What solvent for removing "plastic lifetime finish" from door hardware




Q. I am in the process of trying to refinish some Baldwin door hardware. Some of the finish was discolored and I have attempted to strip away the protective coating. I have tried paint stripper, Automotive parts cleaner, Acetone, and am now using Brasso this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] , polishing compound and elbow grease. Mechanical erosion seems to be the only solution so far. It seems as though the finish is a plastic and not lacquer. Is there any thing I can use to strip this finish? I plan to buff out the brass and then apply a liquid plastic finish to it.

George Wigginton
- Hainesport, New Jersey
2003



Acetone
acetone
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A. Hi George,

I'd hazard a guess that the coating is a urethane ... and that's very hard to remove.

You tried acetone (well done!), now go to a stronger solvent ... a so-called aromatic solvent. Or if you happen to have some PVC cleaner and it works, then obtain some 'clear' PVC cleaner ... which is tetrahydrofurane ... try your drug store for any powerful solvent, too.

Failing that, try the Yellow Pages for 'plastics' and see if there is someone specializing in urethanes. Go & ask them ... the modern deluxe wheel rim repair Companies do use a urethane but I'm unsure of the solvent ... they use it as a last coat on aluminum rims.

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Freeman Newton [deceased]
(It is our sad duty to advise that Freeman passed away
April 21, 2012. R.I.P. old friend).

2003


A. If this is old brass hardware, they might indeed have a hard to remove clearcoat. But "Aircraft Remover" will remove most organic coatings without damaging the brass.
. It's noxious stuff, for use outdoors only, standing upwind, and wearing goggles this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] and rubber gloves this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] as a minimum.

But if these claim to be Baldwin "Lifetime Finish", I was under the impression that this is a zirconium nitride or similar PVD finish on top of electroplating, rather than being a plastic finish. So if it's discolored it's probably because some cleaning chemical attacked the finish; I don't think there is any practical way to restore the finish yourself.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2003


A. From Masco's website: "Technical innovation like the introduction of Physical Vapor Deposition technology, The Lifetime Finish™ from Baldwin®, has created a new standard in the marketplace: tarnish-free brass. Baldwin continues to develop expertise in this field collecting twelve patents in the process and solidifying our position as innovator and industry leader. Our Lifetime Finish product line is the broadest in the industry and growing."

I've heard you can buff the heck out of it and strip it. You will need to replate it though.

If it is a lifetime finish, why don't you send it back and get it replaced?

Jake Koch
G. J. Nikolas &Co.,Inc.
supporting advertiser
Bellwood, Illinois
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2003


A. We used a nitric and sulfuric acid solution to remove the top layer down to the nickel plating underneath. We had to remove the finish on a total of 20 strikes that are going to be gold plated. Our plating source can easily strip the nickel. I had ordered these in an 030 finish but the distributor gave us the dreaded 003 (Lifetime Finish).

Ivan Gomez
- Los Angeles, California
2006


A. In response to the Baldwin clear coat, a commercial paint stripper will remove the urethane coating; Jasco this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] or a similar product. I use a much more caustic stripper with the viscosity of water.

Q. In regard to the PVD finish and using the combination of the 2 acids, is there a certain percentage used?

ed breeze
door hardware sales/installation - Langley, Washington
March 9, 2009



Hi. Those acids are for use within an industrial plating and finishing shop, not out in the field. For one thing, nitric acid will ignite organic materials like sawdust or newspaper.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
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A. A fluoride based acid solution strips titanium/zirconium PVD coatings quite well.

Patrick Lynch
- lincoln, Rhode Island usa
October 13, 2010


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Ed. note: Thanks Patrick. Readers need to remember that the internet is a giant one-room schoolhouse where you overhear things that may not be at your grade level. The suggestion to use fluoride based acid solutions is advice for the haz-mat trained operators in a plating and metal finishing shop, not advice to consumers. Fluoride based acids are so hostile to flesh & bone that professionals don't like to even think about them.

Q. We have a 13 year old Baldwin mail slot with the lifetime coating and you would swear it was purchased yesterday. We now need some new house numbers 3 inches tall and Baldwin doesn't make numbers that small. Does anybody know of another company that makes 3 inch tall house numbers that are comparable in quality to Baldwin and its coating? I want them to match our polished brass mail slot.

Please reply.

Margaret Huff
- Indianapolis, Indiana
2007


A. Hi Margaret. The Baldwin finish is supposed to look like polished brass, so polished brass will look like the Baldwin finish. The only thing is, you'll need to lacquer it, and strip and re-lacquer it every few years if it discolors.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


Q. I bought a house that has about 25 doors, each with a full compliment of Baldwin "Lifetime Finish" Yellow brass. Shiny as hell. I really don't want to re-outfit all these doors and thought I would age the hinges.

So, does anyone know what consumer product will EASILY strip off the finish, so I can apply an aging color-changing solution?

Mark Mauceri
- Los Angeles, California, USA
April 10, 2013



A. Hi Mark. It is not a brass finish and can't be aged. You would need to strip the PVD finish, strip the underlying bright nickel plating, and hope that the hardware is solid brass (I don't know whether Baldwin uses solid brass hardware or not . . . a magnet would not prove they are brass but would indicate if they are steel). A plating shop can do the stripping for you, but consumer chemicals won't do it.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
April 10, 2013




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