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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
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Making aluminum look like copper, gold, or brass


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Q. Goran: How do I get aluminum to look like copper patina?

Susan Vayda
- Falmouth, Maine
January 7, 2023


A. Hi Susan. Although a passable job can be done with paint if you're speaking of a roof or gutter, and you can buy that painted aluminum sheet metal, for closer-up stuff you'll probably want a real copper patina. That is done by "painting on" a coating of copper and its reaction products.

Further down the page you'll see responses to Jasper L where commercial products are linked. But read their instructions on-line before buying or starting the project because sometimes it's a two or three step process with a ground coat, then a main coat, then a reactive coat that patinates the main coat, etc.

Please tell us what it is (and how many) you want to patinate because this site serves hobbyists who want to make one, and manufacturers who want to make millions, and answers will be different for different needs. Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




thumbs up sign Thank you for your very helpful reply. I am hoping to have a metal surround for my existing brick fireplace. As copper is expensive I am trying to find an aluminum fabricator who will build the surround and then attempt to apply a finish to make it look like copper that is oxidized.

19382-1a 19382-1b

Susan Vayda [returning]
- Falmouth, Maine [returning]


A. Hi again. For that application I see you're looking for a copper or "oil rubbed bronze" look, not a green-blue verdigris.
Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


thumbs up sign Yes, thank you for properly identifying my intent. I will look into the modern masters.

Susan Vayda [returning]
- Falmouth Maine


A. Aluminium can be copper plated by simple immersion : copper tartrate 50 gms /water 1 lit, pH of solution must be 3,5 (correct it with tartaric acid this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] !). 100 °C temperature of solution. Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia
January 8, 2023


A. We always appreciate Goran's helpful and knowledgable answers, but do warn you to try it on a piece of scrap before entrusting your soon-to-be-built surround to it. Just because it's theoretically possible doesn't mean the look will please you :-)

Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


Q. Now it appears we may have the fireplace surround made from steel, not aluminum. Recommendations for copper finish would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again!
Susan

Susan Vayda [returning]
- Falmouth, Maine
January 9, 2023


Copper Metallic Surfacers /
Reactive Metal Paints

copper_metallic_surfacer
on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

A. Hi again. If you use the Modern Masters, or other copper-bearing patina solution it should make little difference whether its applied to aluminum vs. steel.

Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Steel can be immersion coppered too (20 gms copper sulphate, 50 gms ammonia this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] 25 %, 1 lit water, add tartaric acid this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] until pH is 3,5). Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia
January 10, 2023




⇩ Related postings, oldest first ⇩



Q. Hello,

I have an aluminum sheet which I engraved and I want to oxidize the engraved surface in Black or Dark Grey colour. I was wondering if anyone could recommend any additives I can use to get such an effect. I would prefer to use some do it yourself method. If you know any good books on the subject I would appreciate it if you could give me the titles.

Thanks in Advance

Achilleas Pitsillides
- Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
2000


A. Rub it with olive or boiled linseed oil this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] (very sparingly),then heat it to max. 400 °C! Good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia




Patination ART on Aluminium

"Artists Anodizing Aluminum:
The Sulfuric Acid Process"

by David LaPlantz
anod_by_artists
on AbeBooks

or eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

Q. I'm looking for (books) procedures to patina (patination) aluminium. Basically for outdoor resistance 100% of the time (UV and waterproof) for sculptures. The patina on the aluminium must keep its finish but it could be reasonable to apply a coat of wax or clear Teflon or whatever 1 time per year. I find a book for patinas on bronze, copper or stainless but nothing about aluminium.

Andre C [surname deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Riverdale, North Dakota USA
2001


A. Hi Andre. Aluminum can be anodized, dyed, and sealed. It should exhibit extraordinary outdoor resistance as entire skyscrapers are built with anodized aluminum.

But whether this offers you the option for the art you envision is a question I can't answer.

Good luck.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. You can colour aluminum directly, without anodizing!

Black for aluminum:
10 gm potassium permanganate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links]
25 gm copper nitrate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links]
4 cc nitric acid
1 lit water

Hot immersion / 80-100 °C)
5 min. = brown
15 min. = dark brown
30 min. = black

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia


Q. In the previous post there is a recipe that calls for nitric acid, does anyone know what strength of acid this is?

Pete Williams
- Birmingham, UK
June 26, 2019


A. Hi Pete. When acids are specified by volume instead of weight, the writer usually means at the strength one would typically find that ingredient in a chem lab, rather than any particular molar concentration for titration ... this is usually the highest practical concentration, so I would guess 68% concentration.

Birchwood-Casey Aluminum Black
birchwood-casey_alumablack
on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

Please introduce yourself and your situation so you get targeted responses: For example, Goran is one of our most helpful readers but he is a metals conservator for a museum and some of his responses might be more appropriate for use by his peers or industry, rather than a novice.

Aluminum Black may be more appropriate for consumers, and Insta-blak from EPI / Electrochemical Products Inc. [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] more appropriate for industrial users. Good luck

Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Aluminum (copper patina finish)

Is there a way to paint a copper patina color over aluminum that results in that weathered copper look?

David Hicks
Signal Signs of GA - Mableton, Georgia, USA
2003


A. Hi, David.

I have seen roofing and gutter materials with such paints applied by roller coating but I don't know who makes them and whether that striated look of natural weathering can be applied in a single coat or if it needs multiple coats.

Good luck.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Want aluminum to look like copper with blue patina

Q. I HAVE AN ALUMINUM letter "x" 4"W X 4"H X 1/8" THICK I NEED TO MAKE OR PAINT THIS letter THAT LOOKS COPPER W/ PATINA OR BLUEISH OXIDATION, RUSTIC LOOK.

Juan Potes
- Miami, Florida
2003


Q. I have a similar inquiry. I have looked at electroplating but that seems too expensive. I have a large order of louvers where the blades need to appear as oxidised copper.

Chris Paffett
- Milton, Pennsylvania USA
2007


A. Most expensive is solid real copper. Less expensive, but looking exactly like real copper (because that's exactly what the surface is) would be copper plating. Depending on how close it needs to look, anodized aluminum with an "oxidized copper" colored dye or paint/powder will do it. You can post an RFQ what what you are seeking at www.finishing.com/letters/.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




I have brushed aluminum tube to patina in earth tone

Q. Hello

I am building some wind chimes out of aluminum tubing. So far I have been turning them on a lath while holding sandpaper on them to give them a brushed stainless steel look.Then I spray them with a coat of silicone oil to preserve the look.

I would like to add color with out painting or anodizing. Ideally some chemical I could put on them and heat to produce some earth tone color or colors. A bronze, copper, yellow, red, green, olive, black, brown or combination of colors would work.

I would like the chime finish to be durable and to look good in the garden.

What suggestion do you have.

Thanks,

Ron Barnett
- Santa Rosa, California, USA
2006


A. Try old burnt oil process-simply oil it very sparingly with some edible oil or fat(olive oil is best),then heat it slowly to max 400 °C. Repeat if needs. Hot air gun is best tool for that task, or kiln if you have it. Good luck and hope it helps!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia




Q. We want to have copper or brass finish on aluminium metal. The aluminium is in roll form so electroplating is difficult for us. If possible please give an option of dipping process.
Thanks,

Mitesh Vohra
zippers - New Delhi, India
2006


"Zipper: An Exploration in Novelty"
by Robert D. Friedel
zipper
on AbeBooks

or eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

A. Hi Mitesh.

You can coil anodize & dye it to achieve the effect. But I don't think you'll find any method of getting a consistent color without completely unreeling it and doing continuous web processing.

Please be careful about making aluminum look like copper or brass because it sure doesn't function like it :-(

I bought a replacement convertible top for my car which came with an aluminum zipper colored to look like a brass one. The white salty growth, corrosion pits, and general galling made it impossible to zip or unzip after just a couple of weeks despite WD-40 this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] running all over the window in a vain attempt to keep it functional; at the same time the brass zippers on my salt water boat were working just fine ... If I were GM of the Universe it would be a shooting offense to color aluminum zippers to try to fool people that they are copper or brass because aluminum is a totally horrible material for zippera :-)

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Q. Copper prices are sky rocketing so I was wondering if there is a glaze, transparent metal paint or some inexpensive way to add a new COPPER look to aluminum (no patina ... just fresh shiny copper)?

Thank you.

Steve Gregor
Student - Orlando, Florida
December 9, 2008


A. You can plate copper to aluminum by simple immersion process!
Solution1.-1 lit water,150 ml hydrochloric acid,32 ccm sulfuric acid,15 gm copper sulphate.
Solution 2.-1 lit water, 100 gm copper sulphate, 1 gm potassium chloride. You must immerse object to solution 1 then rinse it and immerse in solution 2. Slightly acid boiling copper tartrate solution can be used too.
Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia




Paint aluminum pick-up topper

Q. It's old and dented. I actually don't want it to look perfect, but I want to paint it something other than the silver color it is now. If it looks a little rough, that's actually good. I'm proficient wood finisher, giving my stuff an antique look, and want to do the same with my topper. Any help is appreciated.

Brooks Boliek
cabinet maker, decorative painter, historical restorer - Silver Spring, Maryland
May 19, 2008


A. Simple and effective solution-oil it very very slightly with any edible oil(according to old books olive oil is best),then heat it to 300-400 °C (use hot air gun). Instead of oil you can use 2-20% shellac solution too. Yellowish-brown or black finish. Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia


A. Brooks,

Here is an old school way of coloring aluminum man. Try this, just make sure your wearing neoprene rubber gloves this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] .

solution a: sodium hydroxide and zinc oxide this on eBay or Amazon [affil links]

reaction to aluminum: turns the aluminum gray.

solution b: copper sulphate

reaction: turn the gray stuff to black and a little bit of red shade. Depends on how you apply the stuff.

hint: make the copper sulphate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] is very diluted.

Old school but works!

Barry M. Umacob
- Philippines


Q. Hi Barry,

The old recipe does work well. I have a project in which an aluminum piece will be outside. Will this patina hold up to the elements?

Jim Johnson
- folly beach, South Carolina
March 10, 2009




Q. Could anybody tell me if there is a coating one can apply to stop brushed aluminium anodising outside and keep up it's sheen.

Thanks

Claire Richmond
- Tasmania, Australia
June 2, 2009



A. Hi Claire. Aluminum can be clearcoated; lots of people polish their aluminum car wheels then clearcoat them. Also, the right alloys of aluminum can be anodized without losing substantial shine -- most dentists' lights and outdoor lighting reflectors, and many telescope mirrors are anodized aluminum.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Wattyl has a product called Aluclear.

Aaron Anderson
realaustralianworks.com - Melbourne Australia
June 4, 2015




Give our Aluminum Table a Copper Patina

Q. I recently saw a TV "how to" show about finishing copper with ferric chloride this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] (etchant) mixed with water and another mixture of copper nitrate this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] (oxidizer) plus zinc chloride and water. The metal was heated to 300 degrees and the oxidation process checked by spraying water. Question: is there a similar process that might work to give aluminum a copper patina finish. I'm trying to give an expensive aluminum table a better appearance.
Thanks!

Jasper Lewis
Hobbyist - Magnolia, Arkansas, USA
May 18, 2011


A. Hi, Jasper.

In a way, it is the copper itself that is responsible for the color, not the chemicals it was treated with. Aluminum doesn't form those colors; it can't.

But you can probably "paint" on a cupric solution. Commercial copper metallic surfacer [affil links] solutions are available. You can leave these as is, or go on to use a green patina [affil links] or blue patina [affil links] solution on the new "copper" surface. I would expect, though, that metal surfacing an aluminum table and patinating it to an attractive artistic look is a job for someone with some arts and crafts aptitude rather than just home handyman experience -- which leaves me out :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Q. I purchased an antique head board for $10 at my local Faith Farms. I am a photographer, and looking to gain green patina overnight. I am sure, due to its' weight, it is aluminum, has anyone used copper paint, followed by the salt and vinegar in bulk on eBay or Amazon [affil links] solution? Can this be done?

Alyse crandell
photography- ft. lauderdale, Florida
April 19, 2018





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Q. I'm looking to get a nice gold/brass look to aluminum and then clear coat it. Is there anything out there I can use to stain or color it?

JP Guido
Hobbyists - Cleveland
November 8, 2021


Alcohol Inks
alcohol_ink
on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

A. Hi JP. The conventional and "right" way that aluminum is colored is by anodizing it, because this creates a microscopic honeycomb-like surface on it, then dyeing it so the dye is absorbed into the pores in the honeycomb, then 'sealing' it (exposing it to very hot water and/or chemicals that cause the top of those pores to swell over and close. This makes for color that is hard to remove even with sandpaper.

Some people do this as a hobby but, if that is too involved for your purposes, then your choices would be to paint it with a gold/brass look paint, or to use gold/brass colored alcohol inks ⇨
But even starting with a uniform & very clean aluminum surface, I'm not sure whether you would consider the alcohol ink coloration a "nice gold/brass look".

Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


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