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Passivate 304 and 316 Stainless Steel or Not?
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Q. Team
There is a debate in the Middle East does SS304 passivated offer the same corrosion protection as regular SS316
Any insight?
Manager - Dammam, KSA
May 16, 2022
A. Hi Pablo. I suspect that what may have happened is that someone saw non-passivated 316 rust as readily as passivated 304 and has put the proposition wrongly :-)
If 316 stainless has been exposed to iron tooling during manufacture or handling, it will rust if not passivated. But the answer is that both 304 and 316 should be passivated and 316 is substantially more corrosion resistant. Wrongly prepared 316 may corrode as badly as well prepared 304 in some environments, but I don't think that's the right way to view the situation.
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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May 2022
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Q. We are manufacturing SS components from SS 304, 316 . We carry out passivation in a plastic container. Our passivation formulation consists of 20% Nitric acid and 5 % sodium dichromate in water. We immerse our components in this formulation for approx. 45 min, without any heating. When we immerse the components nothing happens to it ( no colour change , pitting etc). We then immersed some samples of the passivated lot in salt water ( using house salt) and kept them for 48 hrs. Nothing again happened to the samples. Does that mean that the components have been passivated correctly. Also surprisingly the non passivated samples when put in salt water also did not show any rusting. Do we require passivation.
A Khan- India
2002
A. Hi,
There are A. few standard tests to confirm whether the Passivation is perfect or not. What you have done is Accelerated corrosion testing
(when you put the SS material in Salt water the Fe left on the surface will form rust to tell you that there is still some iron left on the surface). Passivation is the process in which the Iron on the surface of SS is selectively removed to enrich the Chromium on the surface. This will provide better resistance against corrosion.
To confirm if all the iron on the surface is removed effectively during passivation there is a test called copper sulphate
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You need to apply a slightly acidic CuS04 (16 gpl CuS04 and few drops of H2SO4) Solution on the surface of the passivated material. After few mins wash the sample and look for copper deposit on the place where the solution was applied. If you don't find Copper deposit, your passivation is good. This has to be done only on 200 and 300 series SS material. Refer
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AMSSTD753 ) for details on this test.
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- Singapore
A. It is not unusual to have 316 or 304 stainless steel pass the free iron tests (whichever you use- refer to ASTM A967) because the base metal is very good even without passivation. Many companies do not passivate these grades for general use. (See A-967 also for the method of passivating austenitic stainless- you do not need the sodium dichromate)Passivation is absolutely necessary if you have imparted free iron to the surface in your machining, processing or handling.
However, if your customer is expecting good corrosion resistance in stressful situations (salt spray, chloride contact, etc.) passivation gives you an extra measure of resistance due to the chromium enrichment of the surface.
Lee Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
McHenry, Illinois
2002
Q. Our county has a 304 fabricated large sculpture displayed 200 yds from the Gulf of Mexico. After several years it now has a rust colored patina. Was not passivated.
Can we acquire and use on-site chemicals to test the surface for possible benefit from acid wash and or passivation ? Thanks, John
engineering - Englewood, Florida, USA
April 13, 2012
A. Sure, see my answer to posting #37180
Anna Berkovich
Russamer Lab
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
April 16, 2012
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A. Yes, you can find passivation pastes commercially available. They will remove the rusty stain, and impart some passivation and delay the rusty stain formation.  Jeffrey Holmes, CEF Spartanburg, South Carolina April 20, 2012 A. First, you'll need to remove the rust. Citric passivation chemicals will slowly dissolve the rust. A 3,000 psi pressure wash will help knock out any rust from inside the corrosion pits. Avoid grinding as it can smear the rust and it will mess up the "look" of the piece terribly. - El Dorado, Arkansas April 20, 2012 |
A. John,
We have been dealing with corrosion issues in marine environments for many years and there are things you can do that contribute greatly to the long-term survival of the stainless. However it will always come down to maintaining the piece with treatments as needed, that environment is too harsh to be able to passivate once and forget about it afterwards.
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Let us know if we can be of assistance.
Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
McHenry, Illinois
May 4, 2012
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