No passwords, No popups, No AI, No cost:
we earn from your affiliate purchases

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
ted_yosem
Sound technical content, curated with aloha by
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, NJ
finishing.com -- The Home Page of the Finishing Industry


  pub
  The authoritative public forum
  for Metal Finishing since 1989

-----

Electroless Ni vs electrolytic Ni - why is e-less less ductile and has lower melting temp




2002

I have learned that electroless Ni plating (with varying amounts of P to increase corrosion resistance) is less ductile than electrolytic plating.

Can someone explain to me why electroless Ni is less ductile? Is it to do with the P content or the plating itself? Also, electroless Ni has a lower melting temperature than electrolytic Ni. Also, what is that due to? Is that due to the P content or the plating itself?

Thanks,

Andre Wong
- Santa Clara, California, USA



An electroless nickel plating is not nickel, it's a nickel phosphorous alloy. People sometimes refer to it as a metallic glass. Reduced ductility is probably an intrinsic property of the deposit.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2002



First of two simultaneous responses -- 2002

Andre,

I am not a plater and therefore highly ignorant of actual plating processes.

But you mention 'P' which I am led to believe stands for Phosphorus .... and in the manufacture of iron, both P & S are highly detrimental and have to be reduced (to 0.06%, I forget) BECAUSE they cause embrittlement ... P at higher temperatures and S at lower temperatures (maybe the other way around, I forget, seeing that I learnt this 50 years ago).

Hence, I'd assume that an increase in 'P' would make the ductility worse, eh?

As far as the lower melting temperature is concerned, heck, if you 'alloy' a metal, I'd assume, depending upon the alloy, that the melting temperature will ALWAYS increase or decrease. That does make sense, doesn't it.

freeman newton portrait
Freeman Newton [deceased]
(It is our sad duty to advise that Freeman passed away
April 21, 2012. R.I.P. old friend).




Second of two simultaneous responses -- 2002

Answers: 1-Yes. 2-Yes.
Electrolytic nickel is almost pure. On the other hand, the predominant consituent in EN's is nickel phosphide which is hard and brittle. Something else, many EN's are amorphous (do not have a definite crystal microstructure under microscope very much like glasss), you need to look with super microscopes to see something. This gives better corrosion resistance as corrosion finds it more difficult to find a weak point to begin. Also, as most alloys, EN exhibits a melting point directly proportional to its chemical constituents and as you know Phosphorous has a very low melt point.

Bye,

Guillermo Marrufo
Monterrey, NL, Mexico




(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

Finishing
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g,
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"