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Teflon Non-Stick Cookware Repair Spray to Fix Pots & Pans




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Sorry, non-stick repair spray for pots & pans seems to no longer be available; but please feel free to read and comment!

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! These sprays are discontinued for a reason. PTFE becomes a highly poisonous gas when heated above 500 degrees. It can kill within minutes if exposure is high. Even with relatively small exposure, it causes neurological damage. It is FDA approved as a cookware coating only when used properly, and under conditions where the temperature would not likely exceed it's melting point. The few dollars you would save by re-coating your cookware is simply not worth it. Just buy a new one, or better yet, get old-fashioned iron pots and pans and season them thoroughly with lard. It will have the same effect without the health hazard.

Kagan Hudayar
- White Plains, New York
January 21, 2010

Ed. note: whether your claims about PTFE are true or not, Kagan, you're implying that this non-stick spray was PTFE -- but it wasn't.


! The use of a PTFE repair spray is dangerous and should be avoided. It emits over a dozen toxic gases when heated over 500 °F. Instructions that suggest spraying and baking in a 550 °F oven are negligent.

Although the quantities of gas emitted are small, they are potent enough to kill a small pet canary in the same room; and who knows what the effect will be on a toddler.

My guess is that this is why the spray continues to disappear from the market.

I have worked with PTFE in an industrial lab; heavy venting is always present to eliminate the possibility of polymer fume fever which can be fatal. There continues to be confusion caused by lobbyists. As I understand it, there is a bill to eliminate PTFE as a non-stick spray.

Be safe; not sorry.

Peter Ghiloni
- Epping, New Hampshire
February 20, 2010

Ed. note: Peter, whether your claims are true or not, you are implying that the non-stick spray was PTFE; but again, according to the supplier there was no teflon in it.


April 25, 2012

A. Response to Peter G.

From label on a 2 FL OZ can of ...

"Non-Stick Cookware Repair And Coating Instantly Creates A Non-Stick Surface"

"DANGER:
FLAMMABLE. HARMFUL OR FATAL IF SWALLOWED. NON-HAZARDOUS AFTER SOLVENTS EVAPORATE.

KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

To repair non-stick cookware surfaces:
Thoroughly clean and dry surface to be sprayed. Spray a thin layer of Non-Stick Coating on area to be treated. Allow to air dry for at least 30 minutes. Place in pre-heated 475 °F oven for 10-15 minutes. After treating pan, saturate paper towel with salad oil and wipe over surface. Do not allow water to boil away or leave pan empty over flame or heated element.

INGREDIENTS:
Methyl Ethyl Ketone, Xylene, Methyl Isobutyl Ketone, Butyl Cellosolve, P.M. Acetate, Cellosolve Acetate

Distributed by Cadie Products Corp., Paterson, New Jersey
Stock # M1376C"

Rhonda Simmons
- Ruston, Louisiana


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Ed. note: Thanks Rhonda. Thus it seems there is no Teflon or PTFE at all in this spray -- which is not meant to say it was harmless.

!! I have worked with fluoropolymers for a number of years, ran two test labs and have done research. The comments about poisonous gas are extremely inflammatory and have no business on this site.

For one thing, PTFE does not melt, it goes to a gel state. PFA and FEP are melt processable. PTFE is rated for use at the 500 °F range, that is why it is used for the covering on aircraft and spacecraft wire. DuPont sells PTFE spray-on coatings for industrial and commercial use that are baked on at temperatures well above 500 °F.

The temperatures used to process PTFE from its powder form into products such as tubing run into the 1100 °F range. The PTFE fever mentioned has to do with raw PTFE (unprocessed) along with the lubricant used to bind the powder together in order to extrude the PTFE during its processing. It is unfortunate that mis-information is given on the internet.

Gerald Brickert
- Fort Worth, Texas
April 30, 2010


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Ed. note: Thanks for relating your knowledge & experience, Gerald.
Although comments about the coatings being dangerous might be inaccurate and may annoy proponents, they don't seem to be intended as simply inflammatory.
You're certainly entitled to find some postings factually wrong, and you are encouraged to continue to offer corrections -- but as for "have no business on this site", that's incorrect! This is a public forum where we do not presume to exclude or censor opinions or positions that we or you don't agree with. Thanks again.

A. I have a friend who lives in Spring Grove, IL. He left a teflon coated pot too close to a range burner which he left on.
Mark is a bird lover. He had 2 beloved parrots and over 25 finches.
They all died due to their sensitivity to what I assume to be perfluoro-octanoic acid, and whatever other pollutants are emitted.
None of the cats, fish, snakes or lizards died.
I do not know how hot the pot got, or if the coating disintegrated.
This does not scare me away from trying to repair my own pans. I will however do the curing in the Weber outside.

Rick Gellert
- Zion, Illinois
January 23, 2011


June 26, 2012

A. I've had Exotic Birds (spoiled rotten at that) for many years while caring for a very needy Geriatric person.

Due to the information circulated about the potential of Teflon coatings producing a lethal gas, and the occasional need to step away from the stove for an urgent matter, we decided to go with steel pans. I also use steel pans for heating various oils to make my soaps.

Over time, we've found that the best non-chemical method of removing food, stains, or oils which have become sticky and tar-like on a steel pot is as follows:

* Fill the pan with water to the level of the sticky stuff.
* Add a couple drops of good grease fighting dish soap.
* Bring to a boil - then reduce to a low simmer.
* When it starts to release some of the problems, use a stiff or medium stiff brush to gently brush-work the gummy areas. (don't scrub or you'll make foam & splashes.)

** Note: if this doesn't get all of it within 30 mins, take the pot to the sink, dump most of the soap water, add a little more soap, and scrub with an SOS pad this on eBay or Amazon [affil links] or other steel scrubby.

Personally, I like enamelware for cooking. No worries about true/false gasses or scratching a chemical coating, same cooking, cleaning techniques used as with stainless, Only 1 extra benefit.... if the enamel gets scratched/chipped - I can take it to a ceramic studio or restoration/body shop and have it recoated for a few bucks. ;-)

Mary Silas
Maker of Artisanal Hand Crafted Soaps - San Antonio, Texas, USA




A. I did find the spray available, but it looks like it only ships in Europe. I am considering having a friend order it and ship it to me in the US.
www.buyasyoufly.com/2537/product_detail.html

Phil Pliuskonis
- Thornton, Colorado USA
December 6, 2010


thumbs up sign flyasyoubuy is out of stock and has no info on when it will be back in stock

marta young
- rush, dublin, ireland
June 18, 2011


A. While searching for a non-stick cookware repair spray I ran across your forum. I did find some for sale on buyasyoufly.com/2537/product_detail.html but I also wrote to Dupont asking if they made a product like that and received the following reply:

Thank you for your inquiry. Due to the substrate preparation, baking/layering/spraying application and curing process that is required to apply DuPont nonstick coatings to cookware and household appliances, DuPont is not able to manufacture "spray on" Teflon® coating. We do not offer or recommend a service to re-coat cookware or household appliances. . . "

Lee Miller
- Belton, Texas, USA
March 29, 2011


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Ed. note: Thanks Lee. But the spray you mention has no Teflon, indeed no PTFE at all, in it.


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No! No! No!
Not for Food Service!

Teflon/ Moly Oven Cure Firearm Finish
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Brownells sells teflon spray coating for gun products to reduce carbon buildup. I don't know if that helps anyone..

Ed Watson
- Louisville, Kentucky USA
February 2, 2012

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Ed. note: Thanks Ed, it may help some people -- but not those who want to recoat pots and pans; that would be very dangerous because of the probable petroleum products in the spray and other possible non-foodsafe ingredients.



Q. I work for a timeshare we have non-stick teflon pans. Always having to replace them, very costly -- want to know can I redo the pans, what do I use, and would this be cost effective?

tammy depew
- st pete florida
May 26, 2013



Q. Question:
I have read all previous questions and answers which all indicate that a non-stick repair spray for kitchen pans is no longer available anywhere.
About 6 years ago I purchased 3 spray cans of a product and used almost one which left the other two stored in a kitchen drawer. I recently found need for the product on a electric grill but when I went to retrieve, I found my son had cleaned out the drawer and tossed it out.
This was a great product and provided long lasting service. I find it inconceivable that it is no longer carried by anyone.
Why was this taken off the market?

Paul Jansen
- Buffalo, New York, USA
July 2, 2013


A. Hi Paul. I don't know whether the product was "safe" (which is a relative term) or not. But sometimes it is just not possible to prove the safety of a product to a degree that satisfies the regulators and to where the risk of lawsuits is low enough. We live in an extremely risk-averse and highly litigious age, utterly different from when I was young. Products which were considered a great idea 25 years ago are often now considered just too risky to market. Changing times is my guess why no one is willing offer a repair spray of this type anymore.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
July 2, 2013


thumbs down signOn the subject of non-stick repair spray, is the fact that you can't buy it maybe because by repairing pots and pans you seriously hurt sales of cookware? Planned Obsolescence!

James Tuck
- St Cloud, Florida, USA
October 5, 2013


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Ed. note: You have your theory, we have ours. Aloha.

thumbs down signThat's the same conclusion I came to, whatever would happen if we could repair our pans. Think Stainless is the way forward ;-/

Sue Foster
- Dorset, UK
October 22, 2013



December 2013

thumbs up signHi James; hi Sue. You can try www.buyasyoufly.com/2537/product_detail.html as that page claims to sell it. But based on all the tail chasing in the previous postings, it certainly won't surprise me if they don't :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey

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Ed. note Apr. '17: That page is now an "Error 404, Unable to Find".


A. http://www.buyasyoufly.com/2537/product_detail.html
As of this post it is available to ship in EU only.

http://www.intechservices.com/DuPont-Teflon-Coatings/How-to-Purchase

The second link requires you to submit a questionnaire for their review to determine if they will sell it to you.

Hope this helps. I'm going to have a friend in EU purchase and send to me as others have suggested.

Kelea Nevis
- Florence, Arizona, USA
January 22, 2014



January 24, 2014

thumbs up sign Thanks Kelea! The only clarification that I would offer is that the two links you posted have nothing to do with each other. The first link is to a product that is not and does not Teflon, and has nothing to do with DuPont. The second is to DuPont, who has already made it clear that they offer no such consumer product.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey



www.buyasyoufly.com/2537/product_detail.html
Here's the solution people.

Luis Marques
- Oporto, Portugal
April 20, 2016



Q. Six weeks after it was posted, the link to BuyAsYouFly.com doesn't work. In fact, the whole domain doesn't respond. The earlier posting implies that Ted Mooney was able to view the product in late April, but it's not working for me today. Any other ideas on finding this product?

Vere Nekoninda
- Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
June 8, 2016



Hi Vere. It's time to stop looking for it folks!
thumbs down signAs reported above, it was discontinued by the manufacturer at least 6 years ago. I'd guess that buyasyoufly either acquired a stock of it at different times or suffered a computer glitch that made it sound recently available when it actually wasn't. But I personally wouldn't put something onto cooking pans when the manufacturer decided to stop offering it many years ago.

Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
June 2016




Q. I have a propane big griddle; surface is steel, would like some kind of coating such as Teflon. Is there any product to use?

diane fields
- middletown Ohio usa
April 15, 2017


A. Hi Diane. There is nothing you can do yourself, but if money is not tight it is probably possible to send the griddle out for ceramic/porcelain coating.

Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
April 2017


For those who can't get enough of a topic, see also letter 12601, "Need Teflon Spray Can for Home Cooking Pans/Pots".





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